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| 23 Mar 2010 03:49 PM |
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I recieved a forward of an article on the Asian carp invasion of the Great Lakes. Seems it MAY not be such a big deal, as it is probable that they will be unable to survive in the great lakes. If anyone is interested, PM me with an email address and I will forward the article (Great Lakes Angler) to you. Tom |
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| 23 Mar 2010 08:35 PM |
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I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A FISHING MARKET FOR FOREIGN COUNTRIES.Asian carp are in big food demand overseas.I say all you can catch and sell ruling should be placed as soon as possible!
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| 24 Mar 2010 04:24 AM |
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PM sent,That's something I'd like to read. Thanks Tom Sam, Lycoming County North Central PA NAFC Life Member ,Angler Legacy Ambassador |
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Pegsguy
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| 24 Mar 2010 01:34 PM |
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grottonbill: Here in Illinois the taking of asian carp by any means short of dynamite or poison is encouraged, and bowfishing and netting tourneys are appearing. This is one place where C&R is not a good thing! Tom
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| 24 Mar 2010 04:37 PM |
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I also heard that in Texas it's illegal to NOT immediately disembowel a caught Asian Carp or a tilapia, which seems harsh, but it is working.
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| 24 Mar 2010 07:32 PM |
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I think I would like to read that article, has anyone heard about the disease in the Great Lakes that is killing so many fish? I will send you a PM Tom! Have a good day! Rusty It does not matter if you are a Gazell or a Lion if you are not up and running before everyone else you will either go hungry or you will become food!!! |
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Pegsguy
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| 24 Mar 2010 08:25 PM |
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Panhead: I think you are refering to VHS. It's not just the great lakes but many waters in the midwest. There is a brief article on the home page about it showing up in Lk. Superior. Maybe Kurt can get the Doc to explain to us. Tom
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| 25 Mar 2010 06:43 AM |
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I think a bounty program would be a good thing. Pay us to catch and then sell overseas or turn into Dog food. Boosts the economy. I re read an item In NAF mag about a bounty on on Pike minnow in washington state. Some guy made over 40 grand in one year. Brian Fishing! enough said. |
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| 25 Mar 2010 08:48 AM |
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Apparently, the asians are so widespread and so prolific that no amount of fishing will control them and a bounty program would be prohibitivly expensive. Tom
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| 25 Mar 2010 08:56 AM |
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Probably right Tom. I know there are plenty of Common carp here in utah. Just wishful thinking. I wouldn't mind making a few bucks while fishing. Brian Fishing! enough said. |
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| 25 Mar 2010 08:50 PM |
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We don't worry about the common carp, they don't jump out of the water when a boat passes by, and the asians can reach 100 lbs! That can spoil your whole day. Tom
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| 26 Mar 2010 06:25 AM |
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ya i've seen the videos. looks pretty crazy. Brian Fishing! enough said. |
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Thanks Ed! Tom |
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| 15 May 2010 01:40 PM |
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i know our standard carp is a cold water species, i know grass carp overwintered in New York. Gold fish even survive winters if released that's why they are illegal for bait in NYS> |
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| 16 May 2010 07:50 AM |
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The Silver and Bighead that are the problem are not european but Asian in origin and don't tollerate cold water very well. They also require about 40 miles of flowing water for their eggs to hatch. Tom |
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| 21 May 2010 07:49 AM |
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i dont see how that is possible. because there is a little shoot that only gets water in it like 2 times a year maybe, and that water dont flow and they are still hatching. |
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| 21 May 2010 08:31 AM |
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Are you sure that you are seeing asian silver or bighead? More likely the fish you are seeing are common carp, not asians. Tom |
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| 21 May 2010 11:32 AM |
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it is not a common carp. it is either a asian or a bighead. but im positive that is not a common carp. i know this because they jump out of the water as you are driving the boat. |
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| 06 Jun 2010 06:57 PM |
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My Dad puts Asian carp in his freshwater pond of about 7 acres, about every 8-10 Years. He has caught several in the thirty pound bracket and one that weighed weighed well over 100 pounds. In addition he has caught a number of channel cats in the 25 pound category. He loves sitting in the shade and catching blue gills between the 1 to 1/12 pound, several shell crackers well above the 2 lb. mark and it is not unusual to catch white crappie over two pounds. I have caught some beautiful bass, often in the 8 pound category, a few over 10 lb. and 3 over 15 pounds. Dad usually fishes with ultra light reel, 6 pound line and a Wally Marshall crappie rod. He called me again last night to tell me he had caught a small catfish that weighed 28 pounds. There is great joy and pride in sharing him and these fish stories when I realize I am 63 and Dad is 83 years old.
We have never had a Asian Carp to reproduce. I think the fish he uses is called a White Amur. His life might make a great story for you. I thank God he practiced taking a kid fishing before I knew I was a kid. Maybe the time has come when we need to look around and take some of those older kids fishing!
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| 07 Jun 2010 02:26 PM |
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The White Amur is also known as the grass carp and is commonly stocked into ponds to control vegitation. Most of the Amur that are stocked are sterile and do not reproduce. These are not the bighead and silver carp that are causing the problem. I hope you are passing on the gift that was given you, my dad was not a fisherman and I had to learn on my own. Tom |
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| 08 Jun 2010 12:21 AM |
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Tom,
Thanks for the info about the white amur. Dad has been using them for a number of years for vegetation control.
Sorry, you did not have the opportunity to fish with your Dad. I am disabled and retired but I still find the time to take kids fishing. I enjoy it a lot. When bass fishing was really becoming popular I began trying to find some local kids and teach them how to make lures out of the things laying around. I think I enjoy that almost as much as fishing. God has truly blessed us as a nation--only wish more of us could realize it.
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| 10 Jul 2010 01:32 PM |
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As promised, here is an asian carp update. These fish have been in some of the Chicago Park District lagoons since the early 90s. As these waters are not connected to the Illinois river, the best guess is they were introduced with catfish stockings. One of the lagoons recently had a fish kill and fishermen have been snagging the remaining live fish that are all concentrated at the inlet. At least two of these fish have weighed in over 65# I will try to post a picture. More as info is available. Tom http://i698.photobucket.com http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv342/pegsguy/ChicagoBigheadCarp.jpg?t=1278790159" GALLERYIMG="no">/albums/vv342/pegsguy/ChicagoBigheadCarp.jpg http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv342/pegsguy/ChicagoBigheadCarp.jpg"> |
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| 12 Jul 2010 10:35 AM |
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A bit more news, this from Dale Bowman of the Chicago Sun Times: As of yet there are no reports of small asians. This is in a way good news, indicating there is not any significant reproduction in these lagoons. As I have reported before, some experts believe the asians will be unable to spawn in the lakes. Any evidence of spawning in these lagoons would refute that. I hope everyone is OK with my choice of putting this here, it just didn't seem right to put it in Carp (that should be for carp fishing discussions) and Exotics seemed too far down the page. Tom |
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| 12 Jul 2010 11:04 AM |
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A bounty system would work and does. We here in Washington State we have a bounty system in place on the Columbia River on Pike Minnows ( Squaw Fish). It starts out at like 50 cents a fish then it goes up after you catch so many to like 75 cents and so on. There are some guys that do it full time and make good money at it. But I agree this Asian Carp thing is getting out of hand just like the Snake Head just because some asian wants to have fish form thier country. So they import live fish and sometimes turn them loose in local waters and therein lies the problem. I realize that coustoms is trying to stop this from happening but some slip thru the cracks. Just my 2 cents. |
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| 12 Jul 2010 11:58 AM |
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Posted By basbandit on 12 Jul 2010 12:04 PM
But I agree this Asian Carp thing is getting out of hand just like the Snake Head just because some asian wants to have fish form thier country. So they import live fish and sometimes turn them loose in local waters and therein lies the problem. I realize that coustoms is trying to stop this from happening but some slip thru the cracks. Just my 2 cents. |
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| 12 Jul 2010 05:40 PM |
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A couple of points: 1: People of asian ancestry had nothing to do with the introduction of these fish, and the tale that some asian cultures have an "eat a fish, release a fish" ethic is completely unsubstantiated. 2: These fish are so prolific that no amount of fishing is going to dent the population and with budget constraints, not even the feds could afford a meaningful bounty program. I am afraid the battle in the Mississippi basin is lost and the best hope is that as I reported earlier, the carp will not be able to spawn in the Great Lakes (David J Jude PhD, University of Michigan) Tom |
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| 12 Jul 2010 05:59 PM |
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White Amur are also commonly called "Grass Carp" and are often stocked weed control. Nowdays it is common to stock triploid fish to prevent reproduction. I have read they can reproduce enough to pretty much strip a lake of vegetaton. I am not sure which species the "jumping carp" are and to just call them "Asian" carp does not really ID them properly. |
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| 12 Jul 2010 08:11 PM |
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Thanks ERABBIT, for providing the proper information:
1974 - "Arkansas Game and Fish Commission stocks 380,000 grass Asian carp in state waters, and eventually opens the breeding program to bighead, black, silver carp."
The Asian people had nothing to do with it. It's easy to blame them based on the origin of the fish. Let's not spread unfounded rumors, thanks. |
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| 13 Jul 2010 10:10 AM |
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The carp species that are of concern are the Bighead and the Silver. The Silvers are the jumpers and the bighead can reach 100#. Odly enough, it is legal for a grocery store in Illinois to have these fish as live fish, but are supposed to be killed before leaving the store. An interview with a specialty grocer in Chicago revealed that most of the carp sold left the store as heads only, leaving the store to dispose of the carcass!
For those of you that are interested, National Geographic Channel will air a special on this on Sun, 7/18. I heard 9pm edt, but that may vary with location. Tom |
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Something new seems to pop up every day on this subject. It was announced yesterday that the State of Il. will provide $2 million in aid to Big River Fish in Pearl, Il to expand their opperations. Big River is a commercial proccessor that hopes to ship 30 million pounds of invasive carp to China over the next few years. Tom |
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It's short notice, but tonight (Sunday 07/18) at 10PM EDT if you have National Geographic Channel on cable, their is a show called "Monster Fish:Flying Carp" and it's about the infestation of Asian Carp in the Illinois River. I believe I saw that it will replay again next weekend on Saturday at the same time. |
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Pegsguy
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I watched the Nat Geo special, good solid information but nothing really new. Also not a word about the proccessing operation here in Il or any mention of the recent (and not so recent) studies that seem to show that even if thes critters make it to the Great Lakes it seems unlikely that they will be able to reproduce. Bighead have been in some of the Chicago Park District lagoons for years. One of these laggons recently had a massive fish kill and no juveniles were found. Tom |
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| 20 Jul 2010 03:35 AM |
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I too watched the Nat Go special and was horrified at what i was being told these carp can mass produce like guppies if the conditions are right they can possibly spawn twice a year.that my freinds is scary,the only predator that these fish have is humans in the united states.i live here on the east coast and there is a company that catches millions of menhayden a year for vitamins and fertilizer and it has now put a strain on the striper population,i would like to know if there has been any kind of study to find more uses like i mentioned eaarlier.Or possibly hold derbys to catch these fish and do some good like feed the homeless or less fortunate.
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| 20 Jul 2010 08:47 AM |
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Did you miss the part of that special that covered the 'Redneck Fishing Derby'? Unfortunately a derby like that could be held every day and it still wouldn't solve the problem but might lessen it a bit. Populations are in the vicinity of 10,000 fish per river mile and under ideal condithions these things can spawn 4 times a year! There is a commercial proccessor operating in Pearl, Il that ships proccessed fish to China for human consumption. Tom |
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| 20 Jul 2010 11:55 AM |
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no i saw that what a cool way to fish,i found how these carp are eating themselves to death interesting,also how they seemed to be genetically altered to fly out of the water,what purpose does that serve |
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| 20 Jul 2010 09:25 PM |
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I don't believe it was human manipulation that caused the mutation, just an unfortunate thing that the trait developed in the carp in this country. Tom |
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I am sure you all have heard about the record blue catfish that was caught recently. Did anyone pick up on the fact that it was caught using an asian carp fillet for bait? Any use that is terminal for the asians is a good thing. Tom |
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| 22 Jul 2010 08:11 PM |
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I have a great idea!!! To crop down the population people could snag the fish or bowfish for the and give them to Purina for 25 cents per carp. There's alot of people who could use the extra dough!
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UncleTomsJigs, those carp are probably triploid.
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Is it not possible to have boats drive through rivers at the speeds necessary to capture theses fish? They could use custom boats with secure cages for the boater, and built in side and front nets to capture the jumping fish, and possibly use them for fertilizer. I would think after a couple hundred passes there would be a great number of these jumping carp reduced, and few carp left to jump and hurt or possibly kill boaters? Not sure if anyone has had this idea and sorry if so, just not seen any action being taken to this effect, but see it's a big issue in some places. |
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It seems that the most efficient way to catch the invasives is to net them. Many of the infested waterways are heavily traveled by both pleasure boaters and commercial traffic. I lack hard figures on this, but it is my understanding that it takes about 2000# of catch to be worth the expenditure of time and fuel etc. The best market for these fish is a commercial proccesor in Pearl, Il that ships to China for human consumption. It should be noted that only one of the two problem species jumps, and apparently not even all of them. Check in here from time to time, I post news as I find it and living in the Chicago area, there is a lot of press on this matter. Tom |
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I guess I would be referring to the severely overrun waterways, like media we see on TV and even Videos from YouTube like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS7zkTnQVaM Some of this video is funny, but some of the people you know have to be hurt badly. There is an example at 1:02 where the idea I suggest would work, or at least it would in my own mind.  Or even better, we could have carp hunting season using shotgun.
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Just a quick update, nothing earthshaking. The approximatly 6 yr old bighead netted in Lk Calumet apparently arrived there as a juvenile and has been there since. This was determined by chemical analysys of otoliths (ear bones). The good news is that there still is no evidence of spawning in Lk Michigan connected waters above the electric barrier. Tom |
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| 07 Aug 2010 01:44 PM |
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Did anyone see the huge catfish--article says it was caught on large chunk of Asian Carp. Maybe, there is someone bright enough to develop a formula for catfish feed made out of Asian Carp. The only way you can rid yourself of a problem in this country is to find a way to make money at it. From the videos I have seen it looks like you could outfit some wide long open boats with some protection and nets to catch fish. I wonder if you could catch them in small boats rigged to trawl for shrimp.
The tournament thing appeals to me--you could even have a cast net tourney. Whatever, the longer the wait the more of a pain they become. Does anything make them get airborne other than noise from outboards? Together we can do anything, separated we can do nothing. Looking forward to hearing someone has solved this problem. Uncle Tom
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Netting these fish 'on the fly' is probably great sport but only one of the two species that are the problem jump, and not all of them. I doubt these invaders will ever be eliminated and the best we can hope for is to control them enough to minimise the problem. Tom BTW, the best guess is that the Lake Calumet carp was introduced by way of someones bait bucket. |
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I seriously doubt that the carp found in that lake surpassed the electric barrier. I agree, it did probably come from a bait bucket.
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Remember when the lamprey took over and they used special chemicals to kill them. Maybe a chemical can be used that specifically targets members of the Cyprinidae (minnows, carps, and suckers) family. Of course this would have some drawbacks, too. The Cyprinidae family not only includes carp, but also includes minnows and sucker which are an important food source for some gamefish.
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Uncle Tom yes those are Grass Carp ( white amur) that your dad uses and they can be caught on the right bait. The jumpers are silver carp and to a lesser extent big head carp, they are both filter feeders feeding on zooplankton and do not actively bite on any common bait that I know of. I believe all three species require turbulant water flows to successfully reproduce and are extremely migratory so that even flows a couple of times a year could see them getting into places in numbers. |
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I was able to listen to an interview with Frank Hyla yesterday. Frank hosts a local fishing show here in the Chicago area and also is part owner of a marine dealer/outdoors shop on the Illinois river in Spring Valley, Il. self proclaimed sauger capital of the US. Bowfishing for the asian carp is gaining popularity on the Illinois, with new tounaments being announced regularly. Frank stated that the carp had not really impacted the sport fishing on the Illinois as these fish use a different part of the river than the game fish. A couple of other points. The bighead netted in Lake Calumet was 6 years old, indicating it had been in Calumet since before the barrier, however at the time the barrier went operational there was no evidence of asian carp in that area of the canal, making it likely it was a bait bucket transfer. It seems that bighead and silver carp minnows (fry) have been found in fathead minnow stocks. The other point worth noting is that the bighead do not jump like the silvers do. Considering that bighead are usually two times the size of the silvers, I suppose this is a good thing. Tom |
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wow, don't stop and read for a few days and bam....yer way behind on the times. |
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There hasn't been much news on this front lately, but the hearings are starting on the lawsuits concerning the locks. I will keep everyone posted as news becomes available. One interesting note and something that I never thought of is that there are not many launches on Lk Mich in Chicago that are suitable for launching a larger boat, and many of the boat yards are located in places where it would be difficult if not impossible to truck the boats to a launch! Tom |
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Start bowfishing  I did about 5 months ago and am up to 186 carp |
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Posted By buelltroll on 23 Sep 2010 12:58 PM
Start bowfishing I did about 5 months ago and am up to 186 carp Bowfishing alone cannot eliminate this problem. |
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Bowfishing is a great sport and I support it but the Asian carp problem is way beyond what bowfishing can handle. If every licensed angler in Illinois spen 4 hours a week bowfishing the Illinois river, I doubt that it would seriously affect the population. Commercial netting may be the only hope, and that is even doubtfull. Tom |
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The Chicago Sun Times reported today that the carp lawsuit is entering the final arguments stage and should wind up this week. The judge's ruling is expected in about 3 weeks. I will post here when I have more info. Tom |
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I think that there would be a fantastic market for asian carp. It would be an opportunity for commercial fishermen to earn money selling over seas, and here in the U.S. It could be a business opportunity for an average fisherman to get into as well. There is a large asian market here in the States for carp as well, and the asian carp is a cleaner tasting fish than the common carp. Eating one is not bad either, it cooks up great. How about fish dinners for the poor, and homeless? Poisoning them would be such a waste, not to mention that since no plan is foolproof, poisoning them may do more harm to us, than them. Commercial fishing would make a serious dent in the population, just like it has put other fish on the endangered list. Maybe not a bad thing. Lets look for opps to make money from this for alot of people, instead of just a handfull of poisoners making money. |
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Bonepicker: If you go back and read some of the early posts there is an outfit here in Illinois that is proccessing and shipping bighead and silver carp. Seems the big market is in China! The state just gave them a grant to expand their operation. (Money well spent. Create jobs and reduce the carp population) Seems it takes about 2,000 lbs of carp to make it profitable to haul them to the plant. I will post updates as new info comes along. Tom |
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They also could have a pretty good market here in the U.S., but a name like "Bighead Carp" would make most people turn their noses in discust. According to alot of people, Asian Carp taste pretty good. Maybe if someone showed the public how good they tasted and how to prepare them to eat on television, people would start fishing for them more. |
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i just read an artical on the ap news line thru yahoo about the big head carp being up the wabash river all the way to fort wayne indiana. the story says that there is a wet land area that feeds the wabash river along with the maumee river. which feeds lake erie, so now we have to worry about these fish entering the great lakes through a second lake.
the story was about the commericial fishing in canada along the north shore of lake erie and it was telling about how exotics in the great lakes has hurt that buisness and that if the asian carp did make it into the great lakes....we have heard it all before. then the story went on about the find in the wabash river and how they could now reach lake erie thru the flood plains of these 2 rivers. |
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It really is a shame that the doom and gloom alarmist stories sell newspapers. The best information based on sound science is that the asian carp won't be able to reproduce in the lakes and there also is probably not enough food for them to survive. I will try and find a link to the University of Michigan study that outlines this. Tom |
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They could not spawn in the main lake, but they could spawn in the tributaries. |
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They have been found this year in the Bellville pool of the ohio river this summer Dave |
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According to the research I have read asian carp require almost 40 miles of free-flowing water in order to spawn successfully. I am unaware of any Great Lakes tributary that has such a stretch. I believe this was addressed in the U Mich study. Tom |
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Thank the good Lord! |
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There hasn't been much news on this subject of late, although I did read a recent report that the Feds have comitted $45 mil to research on asian carp. Unfortunately part of the money is going to implement E-DNA testing. The problem with this is that it is an unproven technology that has yet to pass peer review which is a basic requirement for any scientific research. Tom |
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I read today that a University of Notre Dame study has concluded that there are no asian carp in the Great Lakes basin. Considering the study involved samples from only 3 rivers in a small geographic area and relied on E-DNA testing, I wonder how seriously anyone can take this news! Sounds like some researchers are using this as a meal ticket. Tom |
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I saw in the news this morning that the good folks in Michigan are playing their same old song again: Close the locks. Unfortunately, the locks are there to allow shipping to pass and as nice as closing them sounds, it isn't going to happen. Maybe the good people of Michigan would be willing to step up and help mitigate the economic damage closing the locks would cause. How come I never see the Michigan legislature going after the folks in Arkansas that created the problem?Tom |
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Just heard on the news that the Federal Govt. has banned the import of live asian carp into the U.S. Wow! Our govt is right on top of things aren't they? Tom |
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There's enough fish farm for asain carp already, how's banning import going to make any difference? |
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Posted By Pegsguy on 22 Mar 2011 07:15 PM
Just heard on the news that the Federal Govt. has banned the import of live asian carp into the U.S. Wow! Our govt is right on top of things aren't they? Tom They should have done that a decade ago.  |
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Nice to know someone besides me checks this! Actually, I think the first imports came in during the early 70's in an attempt to clean algae from catfish rearing ponds and sewage treatment lagoons. The Feds seem to be focused on prevention right now. The carp are here and it is doubtful we can do anything about that. The effort should be focused on finding a species specific predator, disease or poison that can limit the problem! I find it strange that Arkansas, where the problem started doesn't seem to have a problem and is doing nothing to help. Tom |
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U.S. Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Ark., says a law banning the transport of live Asian carp across state lines is unfair to fish farmers. Source: United Press International (3/23)
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Looks like Arkansas' contribution to this problem will be limited to causing it. Come to think about it, wasn't Hillary and her hubby the Gov of Ark. back then? Tom |
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Tighter regulations for Asian carp now in effect
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-- Tighter regulations have been placed on a type of Asian carp to prevent it from spreading from the Mississippi River to the Great Lakes.
WASHINGTON D.C - Tighter regulations have been placed on a type of Asian carp to prevent it from spreading from the Mississippi River to the Great Lakes.
President Obama signed the Asian Carp and Prevention Control Act in December, but the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service published its final rule this week and will now enforce it.
Under the Lacey Act, live bighead carp cannot be imported or transported over state lines. People can still fish for the species if they keep it in their state.
To the untrained eye, a bighead carp could be mistaken for a salmon, except it has a large head and low set eyes. The fish is now federally listed as injurious wildlife, meaning the bighead carp could be harmful to the environment.
The bighead carp has been found in the Mississippi River as far north as the St. Croix River. One reason for listing the species as injurious is to keep it out of the Great Lakes, where populations have yet to show up.
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Now that the horse is 15 miles down the road, let's lock the barn door quickly! What useless drivel. Is the Fedderal Govt. just making noise so that people think they are doing something? Funding research based on eDNA which is an unproven science at best, and now invoking the Lacy Act? Sounds to me like a waste of time and money diverting funding from research that might be helpful, like looking for a species specific toxin like the one used on lamprey. Tom |
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I think when ever this comes up its always big ok we are talking a plauge for fish U.S fish |
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Hello.....Im a new poster so most of yall dont know me.. I live in Louisiana and we have them here in the red river and they are a big problem. They will jump out of the water and hit you while traveling. They are dangerous and are a pest. Although they due mack excellent cut bait for catfish.. Yall do not want them in any waters that you fish... |
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There was a potential record cat caught in the Missouri river system on cut asian carp for bait. Seems there is a market for these fish, it just happens to be in China! Tom |
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The Illinois DNR just spent 224 man hours looking for asian carp in Lk Calumet. Using gill and trammel nets along with electrofishing, a grand total of 0 asian carp were found. Nice waste of the taxpayer's money! |
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