bass or bass?
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| 30 Oct 2011 08:30 PM |
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I received a spool of Berkley Fireline Fused as a product test item a couple days ago. What knot should I use to connect it to monofiliment line?
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mo65
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| 31 Oct 2011 07:12 AM |
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Hey bass, there should be a little pamphlet with that line...it tells what knot to use. If you didn't get the pamphlet the recommended knot is a uni to uni knot...this is the one I use to join braid to mono, and it works great for me.  |
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Pegsguy
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| 31 Oct 2011 08:34 AM |
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I've been using Fireline since it's introduction and found that the only two knots you need are a Palomar and a Uni. For more info, check Knot wars as all the knots they have tested were checked with Firerline. Someplace there is a chart with all the results for each knot broken down by line type. It is surprising to see the difference in strength for the same knot on different kinds of line! |
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rodrigo
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| 31 Oct 2011 08:27 PM |
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I got this off of an In-Fisherman article by Ned Kehde. It's the easiest knot to tie and it holds superline to mono & Flouro. Cut a leader of whatever you want 4-8 feet. Place about 7 inches of leader parallel to 7 inches of superline. Leaving about 2 inches of the tag end of the leader parallel to the main superline end and 2 inches of the tag end of the superline to main leader and make a loop with the 3 inches in the middle. Pinch the bottom of the loop together. Grab the loop and twist it 720*, then pull the tag end of the superline and the main line of the leader through the loop. Pull the knot tight, tug on the tag ends individually if the knot won't seat completely. The knot should be compact, smaller than a uni to uni. Cut off the two tag ends as close to the knot as possible. if you like, add a drop of superglue to the knot. This knot holds well. I don't think it's been tested in knot wars, but it's been written up in In-Fisherman for fly fishermen as well as salt water fishermen and does a fantastic job of connecting different size lines. |
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| 07 Nov 2011 08:41 AM |
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For years, I’ve used the Uni-to-Uni knot to attach leader material to FireLine and have been pleased with the results. A key is making sure, especially with lighter, thinner lines, is to make more wraps when tying the FireLine portion of the knot. I usually use 5-6 wraps with mono, and 7-8 with FireLine. Looking forward to your FIELD TEST report! --Steve Pennaz |
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bass or bass?
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| 07 Nov 2011 08:14 PM |
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Thanks to all. One more question...is there a difference between uni to uni and the blood knot? If so, what is the difference?
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mo65
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| 08 Nov 2011 04:12 AM |
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Yes, there is a difference. If I tried to explain it myself, I'd probably leave something out, so just go to eHow and type in "how to tie blood knot". It will have several detailed instructions and videos.  |
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Pegsguy
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| 08 Nov 2011 09:43 AM |
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Another tip for tieing knots in thin line like Fireline and others: Double the line before tieing the knot. The extra thickness will make the knot easier to tie and help keep it from slipping. |
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Barresi
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| 09 Nov 2011 05:15 AM |
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Another good knot is the Albright knot. It is one of the best knots for joining two lines together. Especially joining braid to mono or braid to flurocarbon. It's not that difficult to learn, and probably better than the blood knot and uni to uni. |
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Pegsguy
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| 09 Nov 2011 08:23 AM |
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I experienced very poor results using the Albright to connect braid to leadcore so I gave up on it. Losing a couple of lengths of leadcore can be an expensive lesson! It may work quite q\well for a braid to mono (and that includes Fluoro) splice. |
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mo65
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| 09 Nov 2011 11:19 AM |
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According to the clubs book Catch Fish Anywhere, Anytime the Albright knot is designed to attach mono to wire or heavier mono. The double Uni-knot is the best way to splice mono to superline. There you go boys...strait from the horses mouth!
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Barresi
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| 11 Nov 2011 11:52 AM |
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Negative on that Mo...no disrespect...the Albright knot is the knot most saltwater anglers use to connect braid to mono or braid to flurocarbon. If we use wire...your going to use crimps...or a bimini twist. Most people dont know how to tie the Albright Knot, but it's not that difficult to learn...Catch Fish Anywhere, Anytime...LOL |
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mo65
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| 11 Nov 2011 02:03 PM |
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Posted By Barresi on 11 Nov 2011 12:52 PM
Negative on that Mo...no disrespect...the Albright knot is the knot most saltwater anglers use to connect braid to mono or braid to flurocarbon. If we use wire...your going to use crimps...or a bimini twist. Most people dont know how to tie the Albright Knot, but it's not that difficult to learn...Catch Fish Anywhere, Anytime...LOL
Hey...I'm just tellin' ya what the book says. I wouldn't know an albright knot from my ass! If the albright knot is the one most saltwater anglers use, then why don't most people know how to tie it?  |
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Barresi
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| 11 Nov 2011 02:26 PM |
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Because it's not as simple as a uni knot, palomer knot or clinch knot. It's a knot that you need to practice to get it right. Most people that are members of this club are freshwater anglars...So I wouldnt expect them to know how to tie an Albright Knot. There's no need for it bass fishing. But it goes back to what I've said many times in previous posts...Learn knots, learn them until you can tie them in the dark... |
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mo65
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| 12 Nov 2011 04:37 AM |
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Posted By bass or bass? on 07 Nov 2011 09:14 PM
Thanks to all. One more question...is there a difference between uni to uni and the blood knot? If so, what is the difference?
Hey bass, I just read in the club's book How to catch Largemouth Bass that the blood knot is not recommended for joining different materials.  And guess what Barresi...this book ALSO says the uni to uni is the best choice for braid to mono.  Just out of curiosity bass, are you fishing fresh water or salt water?  Now get a load of this...I was just checking out Knot Wars, and the uni to uni vs. blood was declared a tie!  I thought they said the blood knot was not recommended for joining different materials?  You know what I think? If you have a knot that's working for you, just use it, I never lost a single fish this year due to knot failure.  |
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Barresi
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| 12 Nov 2011 05:37 AM |
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Thats fine...Your getting your reference from "How to catch Largemouth Bass"? Maybe the Uni to Uni is the knot to use when Bass fishing? I know when I'm trolling a spread with 12-16oz inline trolling sinkers with 80 lb flurocarbon leader...the knot I use and will always use is the Albright Knot. It's never failed and held up with 30lb plus striped bass on the other end. Saltwater and Freshwater fishing...same concept, but different...in alot of ways. |
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mo65
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| 12 Nov 2011 05:42 AM |
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Hey barresi...did you know that the albright knot is recommended for the new Nanofil?
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Pegsguy
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| 12 Nov 2011 08:45 AM |
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I don't see a real disagreement here. Not having ever used an 80# test leader, I couldn't speak to what works. I personally had poor results with an Albright but as I said, that was joining braid (Power Pro) to leadcore. I have always used a Uni-Uni for PP to fluoro leader as well but in much lower test ratings. The stiffness of 80# test is sure to affect the choice of knots and I can't imaging trying to tie a uni in something that stiff! |
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Barresi
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| 12 Nov 2011 09:13 AM |
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We can debate this until the cows come home...but in the end, its what works for the individual. I've used both knots and prefer the Albright knot even in lighter applications. To me the knot glides thru the guides better than the uni. But like I've said, whatever works, stick with it. |
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mo65
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| 12 Nov 2011 11:28 AM |
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Hey Barresi and Pegsguy, look on the bright side fellas! This week in the forums I learned I could go to jail for fishin' an umbrella rig sprayed down with WD40...yeah...that just about sums it up.  |
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Barresi
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| 12 Nov 2011 02:58 PM |
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Pegsguy
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| 13 Nov 2011 09:11 PM |
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Illinois won't send you to jail- that would cost the state money! They just fine the crap out of you after they confiscate your gear! |
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