walleye hunter
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| 09 Jan 2011 05:41 PM |
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I would like to start a discussion on inline planer boards
and diving devices.
My preference is Church’s walleye boards. I think that they pull harder than the
Offshore boards. Then I fit them with the OR18 Offshore release; you will have
to file off the indexing pin off the release and drill a second hole in the
release bracket. You use both the
Church’s screw and the Offshore’s screw so the release doesn’t spin. For night fishing I use the Church’s light
flag kit. The LED lights are bright and are red and green for starboard and port
plus small, light and waterproof. One of
these days I would like to try the new Church’s TX-44 Special boards. I hear
that they pull hard but come in easy and they advertise you can pull Dipsy divers
and 50 jets off of them. If you have
used them please post your opinion on them.
Churches walleye boards http://www.churchtackle.com/Product%20Pages/Planer_Boards/Walleye_Board.html
Church’s light flag kit http://www.churchtackle.com/Product%20Pages/Planer_Board_Accessories/Lighted_Flag_Kit.html
OR18 Offshore release
http://www.offshoretackle.com/OR18.html
Church’s TX-44 Special
http://www.churchtackle.com/Product%20Pages/Planer_Boards/TX-44_Super.html
As far as diving devices I like Lite Bite Slide Divers
better than Dipsy divers but don’t use them much. I prefer to use weight and Jet divers and
have found that you can run 30 Jets off inline boards.
Lite Bite Slide Divers
http://www.slidediver.com/cart/home.php
Post your setup.
Tony |
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Pegsguy
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| 09 Jan 2011 06:49 PM |
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I fish Lk Mich for salmon and trout with a friend and we also use the Church boards but have always used the standard releases. Our boards are clipped to 20 or 30 lb mono and we have no problems with false releases. I recently added a pair of the TX-6 minis to my personal tackle for use on smaller water. I have not used them enough yet to evaluate. For divers we use either Dipseys or slide divers depending on conditions. I should mention that we fish a larger boat (30' Trojan) and with 4 aboard we will run 4 downriggers, 4 boards and up to 4 more lines with a combination of divers, flat lines and leadcore. We also will run 3-4 colors of lead off a downrigger at times. Due to my partner's temperament we have avoided using copper or wire. (He doesn't deal with tangles very well) Another limiting factor is the experience level aboard the boat. If we have a couple of rookies aboard we scale way back and simplify to avoid the headaches. Tom |
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walleye hunter
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| 11 Jan 2011 07:15 PM |
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Hey Tom,
How many rod can an agiler run I have a 28' Scout Abaco with 4 aboard i can only run 8 rod. Most of the time I run boards but if the fish run deep out come the slide divers. I don't have downriggers so that out plus we are not as deep as you. Fishing lots of shallow water with zebra muscles and reefs I like to use 40-10 power pro witch slide though the standard Church releases. but the Church clips do work well with 20 plus mon. Running that many line with experience can cause a headache the most I have ever ran is twelve lines but that's 6 aboard. Maybe I should have posted this in Tackle.
Tony
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Pegsguy
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| 11 Jan 2011 09:27 PM |
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On Lk Mich we are allowed 3 lines per license and in Il water we can run a slider (an additional lure on a downrigger line). It gets tough because we fish out of a marina that is a short cast from the Wi line and the slider counts as a rod north of the cheddar curtain. Is your boat trailerable? My buddy's boat is a bit wide and heavy so is kept in the water. Even with a 10' beam his boat can be a challenge with 12 lines out in any kind of sea or wind. Usually it is just the two of us which presents a whole different set of challenges! We run 30# Power Pro or Fireline crystal with about 50' of mono leader, sometimes as much as 75'. Yes, the fused line likes to slip in the releases. I use a pair of TX-6 minis for light trolling and find that it is better to wrap the line in the release and manually release the board after fighting it to the boat. Watch for a PM. Sometimes they actually go through. Tom |
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| Lifer in NE Illinois Gen. 1:28 I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to become a vegitarian! |
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UncleTomJigs
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| 12 Jan 2011 04:46 PM |
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Thanks for the info on planner boards and diving devices, I have been looking for some info on this and what you guys added was a big help but if you have any more please share it with the rest of us. I need all the help I can get. Don't worry about duplication, I never was at the top of the class. If you have any recommendations for other sources of reading, etc. I sure would appreciate it. Uncle Tom |
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Pegsguy
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| 13 Jan 2011 02:37 PM |
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Someone got me thinking. A few years back I went north to the Madison outdoor show to hear a speaker and while there spoke to the manufacturer/designer of the Slide Diver. He informed me that a Lite-bite version of the SlideDiver Mini had been developed and would be available soon. Anyone seen any info on this? I like using small divers on light tackle and this would be ideal! Tom |
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| Lifer in NE Illinois Gen. 1:28 I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to become a vegitarian! |
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rseltz
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| 13 Jan 2011 03:06 PM |
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Boy Tom I grew up Fishing Lake Michigan and up until 06 Lake Huron I miss the Salmonoid Fishing as I transfered to Ohio and now I am on Lake Erie every chance I get. but we do have the steelhead and I did once hook a big stray king but that is not the norm. The walleye are phenominal here but not the fight I am used to I would be remise if I did not mention the JUMBO YELLOW BELLIES, we don't typically troll for those but I have caught some big ones that way with spoons.....
When the divers don't seem to be the trick don't hesitate to run the lead, I will set up a spread with 1,2,3 oz weights until I figure out the depth thats working then put it all on that bet, usually works out good but as the sun rises and sets you will need to adjust accordingly. as always work your way from the outside in with thel lighter to heavier weights once you figure it out set up with whats working on all the board lines, that way they are easier to manipulate off the inline boards. Try to work with combos of 2 max. i.e 1 and 2, or 2 and 3. I will run a flourocarbon lead as long as possible in front of the lead, but if the fish are active I have actually caught the with NO leader just the spinner line using the lead as an attractor.
Good Luck all |
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Pegsguy
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| 13 Jan 2011 10:20 PM |
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The perch are coming back on Lk Mich the last few years. Most of the guys in the know expect a new record shortly. Seems they have developed a taste for goby. As far as lead, my buddys boat is rigged with 4 downriggers and that is about all the lead (other than core) we ever run.Not much compares to that screamin' drag when you have a 20# King on the line. I just wish they were as tasty as the 'eyes. Tom |
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walleye hunter
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| 14 Jan 2011 03:21 PM |
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Tom,
Got your pm will respond to it. Yes my boat is trailerable it a 28’ over all 30’ plus engines 9’ 6” beam but we don’t have a trailer we keep it in dock. I like to run 40 powerpro and when running cranks I put on 100’ 20 lb fluorocarbon. When running harnesses I don’t use a leader because I tie 6’ harnesses. I just add my dive device between whether it is lead or other. As far as wrap the line in the release and manually release the board I never had good luck with that it still slid or others could not grasp the simple concept and then it was tangled up with the board so I just made it easy and switch the releases.
Uncle Tom Jigs,
If you ask someone should have the answer. It is a simple concept but there is a lot to it just too much to write it all down without forgetting something like adding snap weights to cranks or running shallow diving cranks off Dipsy divers and most important to me get the trolling bible and trolling big water edition.
Rseltz,
Good points always run shallow out to deep in so when you bring your outer board in it doesn’t bring in the rest.
I’m glad to see some interest in this post from others. Hopefully we will all take something from it like I have.
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walleye hunter
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| 14 Jan 2011 04:25 PM |
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Tom,
Got your pm will respond to it. Yes my boat is trailerable it a 28’ over all 30’ plus engines 9’ 6” beam but we don’t have a trailer we keep it in dock. I like to run 40 powerpro and when running cranks I put on 100’ 20 lb fluorocarbon. When running harnesses I don’t use a leader because I tie 6’ harnesses. I just add my dive device between whether it is lead or other. As far as wrap the line in the release and manually release the board I never had good luck with that it still slid or others could not grasp the simple concept and then it was tangled up with the board so I just made it easy and switch the releases.
Uncle Tom Jigs,
If you ask someone should have the answer. It is a simple concept but there is a lot to it just too much to write it all down without forgetting something like adding snap weights to cranks or running shallow diving cranks off Dipsy divers and most important to me get the trolling bible and trolling big water edition.
Rseltz,
Good points always run shallow out to deep in so when you bring your outer board in it doesn’t bring in the rest.
I’m glad to see some interest in this post from others. Hopefully we will all take something from it like I have.
Tony
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rseltz
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| 14 Jan 2011 05:30 PM |
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Uncle Tom, I may have a couple of those in my casting box.. I am sure I do did you sell it to another company or are they still the same. I think thats a great story, I would be more than happy to fish with you some day and trade lies err ideas with....  .Where are you at, if you want to do some serious walleye fishing come on down, April May June are the best, then again in the fall for the MONSTERS. Jumob perch anytime after Augest, you can get them all summer but the best fishing is then. |
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rjstreets
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| 15 Jan 2011 11:03 AM |
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I wanna get some small planer boards so I can use lighter tackle and the fact I have a small boat. I saw an ad for Yellow Bird planers but don't know who makes them or if that's the company name. I'm mainly trolling for walleye and crappie and am trying to find boards that are 8 inches small or smaller. Do these planer boards even exsist ? |
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rseltz
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| 15 Jan 2011 01:10 PM |
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walleye hunter
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| 15 Jan 2011 02:48 PM |
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I would go with the Church's board they work well and they have different sizes and they pull harder than the Offshores. I have not heard anything good about the yellowbirds but have heard that they are not stable. http://www.churchtackle.com/ http://www.churchtackle.com/Product%20Pages/Planer_Boards/TX-6_Magnum.html http://www.churchtackle.com/Product%20Pages/Planer_Boards/TX-12_Mini.html Here is the homepage link and the direct links to the smaller boards and they do have larger boards if these are too small. Tony |
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Pegsguy
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| 15 Jan 2011 08:13 PM |
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I use a pair of the Church TX-6 minis with no problems. They are 5 3/16" long and I have pulled lures up to a Rapala 11 series with no problem. I have a set of Yellowbirds but haven't used them since getting the Church boards. Tom |
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WHITETIP
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| 09 Feb 2011 10:27 AM |
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If you are running braided line,fused line or lead core the Off Shore OR18 Snapper is the release of choice for inline boards.You can get by with wrapping on other releases such as the OR16 but it takes some getting used to. Wrapping is not reccomended on lead core. |
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Pegsguy
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| 10 Feb 2011 09:27 AM |
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It has always been my belief that leadcore does not belong in a release period. I have had good luck with hitching a trolling rubberband to the line and then clipping the band in the release or even tying it. The band breaks when a fish strikes, releasing the line. This also works well with downriggers. Tom |
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rjstreets
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| 16 Mar 2011 02:12 PM |
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Thanks for heading me in the right direction. |
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07gmcowner
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| 17 Mar 2011 07:40 AM |
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I use the OR12 Offshore boards with tattle flags, standard releases and Power Pro with 10# mono or fluoro for walleye trolling. To eliminate the line slippage and losing boards I wrap the line, which does take a bit of getting used to. I have lost some fish unhooking the boards and giving the fish too much slack though. Just wish the OR18 Offshore releases weren't so expensive. When you say the Church boards pull harder than the Offshore boards, what is the advantage of this? By pulling harder, does it add more action to the harness or crank when the boards load up the rod and jump forward at the crest of the wave, or is there some other reason? |
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Pegsguy
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| 17 Mar 2011 08:52 AM |
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I have never used Offshore boards but have seen them at shows and in stores. The Church boards attach to the line differently and the only way to lose one is to have your line break. A released Church board will slide down the line until something stops it. We use a swivel between the main line and the leader. If your leader is short enough you can net the fish with the board on the line. Tom |
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| 17 Mar 2011 06:44 PM |
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walleye hunter
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| 17 Mar 2011 06:50 PM |
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When I say they pull harder it means with everything the same the church boards will go farther out to the side were the offshore boards will lag farther behind the boat. This puts your bait farther to the side covering more water. The OR18 clips make it a snap to put the board on and take it off and they don’t slide on any line if adjusted correctly. If the clip fails you still will not lose the board. So for ten to fifteen bucks a board I feel it is well worth it.Tony |
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07gmcowner
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| 18 Mar 2011 07:26 AM |
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WH - thanks for clarifying. I can see how this has it's benefits of getting the lines spread out further, but if you don't mind me asking.... If your boards spread out more instead of lagging, what is your technique for clearing the inside boards when you hook a fish on your outside board? When I have another person in the boat with me, I can run 6 lines, so I put 3 boards out each side of the boat. As you mention with the Offshores they lag by about 45º away from the rear of the boat. IMO, this is beneficial because I can generally pull in the outside board and clear the two inside boards pretty easily. If it looks like the outside board is going to get hung up on one of the inside boards, I'll let the reel free-spool for a bit under slight tension to not loose the fish, then start cranking again. The first few times of trolling, I didn't wrap the line around the clips and the boards fell off while bringing in a fish. Lesson learned - wrap the line and pull in all lines before turning around to pick up the board that fell off. Planer boards do not like to be pulled in an arc and they will get all sorts of tangled if you turn too sharply!!
Tom - I've heard of people modifying their Offshores to perform similar to the Church method you spoke of. They replace the front clip with a small split ring, snap swivel or small eye screw. When a fish hooks up, they set the hook and the line pops out of the rear clip, allowing the board to slide down to the end of the line. They will put a large bead a few feet before the end of the line to keep the board from striking the fish and knocking it off. In theory, this seems like it would work. |
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Pegsguy
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| 18 Mar 2011 07:43 AM |
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The Church boards work a bit differently. The line passes though a slot in the rear edge of the board and is held there by a spring loaded pin. When the front clip releases the board stops pulling allowing the line to move to the center rear of the boat (unless a fish has a different idea). To remove the board from the line, you simply pull the pin against the spring releasing the line. This can be done with one hand if necessary. Tom |
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walleye hunter
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| 18 Mar 2011 03:21 PM |
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07gmcowner,
The difference is not to the point that the boards are directly to the side of the boat and you can free spool as well if need. First I run my lures deep to shallow which gives me some play room to go over lines. Second the church boards have a tendency to drop back well when fish on unless the fish doesn’t care about the face full of hooks which has happened. Third you can walk the rod to the bow if your boat if it is larger and reel it in in-front of the other boards. Only had to do this once that I can remember. I have not had too many tangles since I started running deep close to shallow out plus I run 50’, 100’, 150’, and 200’ out per side which gives you some more room but I fish Lake Erie and there is plenty of room. Spreading your boards out will help the tangle issue in turns as well. Tony |
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walleye hunter
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| 20 Mar 2011 02:15 PM |
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tho ught I might put so pics of my boards up here for anyone to look at if they
would like to try the setup.   Tony
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07gmcowner
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| 21 Mar 2011 07:41 AM |
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Tony and Tom,
Thanks for clarifying and for the pictures. You are correct, the Church boards are not at all like the Offshore boards. Your front clip looks like it sticks out further from the body of the board, which may explain why they pull harder. Maybe this summer I will play around with making some extensions on mine. It would be nice to get them spread out further without having to let out so much line. The ice is almost off of the lakes now, and hopefully the boat will come out of storage next week. Can't wait to get it back out again! |
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turnip
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| 10 Feb 2012 01:23 PM |
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I do a lot of straightline trolling and I really like the Church boards. I just have to watch for big water "chops"!  Mine are smaller, without the flag. |
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lnelson1
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| 18 May 2012 08:58 PM |
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It has come to the point of life where the body just doesn't work right anymore. For as long as I can remember I have been a bass fisherman. Now that I have some physical limitations I need to change specie. I have chosen Walleye. I like the info you guys have given in this thread. Thanks for sharing. |
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