New To Carp Fishing
Last Post 08 Aug 2010 07:57 PM by Krzfshrmn. 29 Replies.
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maxspider72User is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:90 maxspider72
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02 Jun 2010 10:54 AM
    I've just recently tried carp fishing.  Mostly just because carp and cats are about all thats in the river behind my house.  What's the best rig to use?  I've tried fishing a nightcrawler on a #4 hook with an egg sinker, but I see people mention using floating rigs too.  The other question...  Catch and release?  Normally I practice catch and release, but I've heard its good for the fishery to get the roughfish out.  What do ya think?
    On A Clear Night I Can Hear The Fish Laughing.
    StonecrusherUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:83 Stonecrusher
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    03 Jun 2010 06:10 AM
    Stay with your ethical approach, there's no reason to kill a fish (rough or game) you aren't going to make use of somehow. Rig that works most effectively most of the time is a simple slip rig like you're using baited with a #6 or 8 hook and corn for bait. You can add flavorings to the corn (plain baking flavors like strawberry or vanilla are popular) if you want to experiment with that, but they aren't necessary. Throwing in some free feed (just loose corn, basically) will get them in a much more cooperative mood. Small pan-sized cats also seem to favor strawberry flavored corn.
    There is no greater fisherman than "the guy here yesterday".
    mooseUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:665 moose
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    03 Jun 2010 08:07 AM
    Posted By Stonecrusher on 03 Jun 2010 07:10 AM
    Stay with your ethical approach, there's no reason to kill a fish (rough or game) you aren't going to make use of somehow. Rig that works most effectively most of the time is a simple slip rig like you're using baited with a #6 or 8 hook and corn for bait. You can add flavorings to the corn (plain baking flavors like strawberry or vanilla are popular) if you want to experiment with that, but they aren't necessary. Throwing in some free feed (just loose corn, basically) will get them in a much more cooperative mood. Small pan-sized cats also seem to favor strawberry flavored corn.


          thank you, i preach that all the time. why kill it because some people don't like it.
          if we thought the same about the bass and threw all of them on the bank. man can u hear the screaming ???
    mooseUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:665 moose
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    03 Jun 2010 08:11 AM
     maxspider 72,   dough ball made with ground up dads dog food with  some anise ,or strawbeery,vanila . i have caught some with kroger brand tiger shrimp uncooked and devained.
    bpetersenUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1251 bpetersen
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    03 Jun 2010 01:40 PM
    if any of you have subscribed to infisherman there was an article back in the march( I Think) 2000 millenium issue by Ray Scott the founder of B.A.S.S talking up the virues of carp expecially for folks that are new to fishing. He had a very interesting outlook on carp. now I know this has nothing to do with catching carp but the fact that the question came up about catch and release and I am becoming a fan of carp myself.

    Brian
    Fishing: The art of loitering in or near a body of water. Utah fisherman. lifer since 99
    PegsguyUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:4094 Pegsguy
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    03 Jun 2010 02:34 PM
    Many people don't realize that some species of carp eat vegitation, usually not to the point of eliminating it but enough to keep it under control. I would rather deal with a few carp in the pond than the herbicides that are used in the absence of any natural control. Carp can get out of controll and take over a lake though. Tom
    Lifer in NE Illinois Gen. 1:28 I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to become a vegitarian!
    slipperybobUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1240 slipperybob
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    03 Jun 2010 07:39 PM
    I guess it depends on the size of the carp. I generally will use a #2 or #1 hook. Corn, nightcrawler, or just some white bread clumped into a ball has worked for me. I've used Kelloggs Corn Puffs before too and it works.
    StonecrusherUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:83 Stonecrusher
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    03 Jun 2010 10:30 PM
    Actually, the size of the hook isn't as important for carp as the type. There's a big difference between the strength of a regular wire #8 hook and a forged hook. Since there is no need to load ten or twenty kernels on a hook to get them to bite or hide the hook (otherwise the Euro hair rigs would be useless), why use a big hook? All my carp have come to the net (up to my best of 30lb 3oz so far) on hooks no larger than #6, and so far this season on two pieces of boiled corn per rig.
    There is no greater fisherman than "the guy here yesterday".
    slipperybobUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1240 slipperybob
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    05 Jun 2010 12:20 AM
    Small hooks is for weak carps that can't unbuckle a hook. We call those Magikarp.  You'll have more fun with basskarps or salmonkarps. Trying to not let em jump or let them run 40+ yrds...Then again some carp aren just dead weight with no athleticism in them.

    StonecrusherUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:83 Stonecrusher
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    05 Jun 2010 05:40 PM
    Um, yeah, sure..... whatever. So, you think we should fish for them like bass, where you use a 5/0 hook, 50lb braided line, and a locked down drag for 2lb fish 20 feet away from your feet. Ooh, the challenge and excitement! Sign me up, before I miss out on this once in a lifetime opportunity!
    There is no greater fisherman than "the guy here yesterday".
    slipperybobUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1240 slipperybob
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    06 Jun 2010 12:45 AM
    There you go again.  I don't know where you get off on your superiority complex.   20 corn kernals and 5/0 hook.  Your badditude degrades your credibility.  You gonna go and compare basic bass fishing techniques against basic carp fishing techniques and riducule it like some ignorant bass fishermen who will only look at carp as junk fish.  You deserve a pat on your back for preaching ethical approach.  Bravo, bravo.  Who's next on your list?  The catfishermen, the walleye fishermen, the salmon fisherment?,etc,...?  Really nice way to impress someone new to carp fishing with your badditude.

    I'm just a dumb weekend fisherman.  I used to use small hooks, but it doesn't work as well for hook setting the carps.  It basically requires the carp to do the hook set themselves for the smaller hooks.  The #6 or smaller cutting point hooks I used sometimes left the carps with 3-4 inch cuts if they deep throat the bait and I set the hook.  The size #2 or #1 hooks made deeper hook point penetration and didn't leave lacerations.  Furthermore they offer better lip hook percentages over deep throat hook.  Why such big hooks?  Beats me, it works for me.

    The carps I catch are nothing smart at all to some other carps that require small hooks and hair rigs of the sorts.   They'd be dumb carps.  They don't sit there and feed, they'd be cruising and occassionally being an opportunistic feeder.  They'll hit dumb cranks, soft plastics, and even feather jigs.  Since these dumb fishing techniques works, the carps I catch qualifies as dumb carps.  I don't chum, it's not legal for my state.  So I don't catch carp that's been cattle fed for size.  Some carps are weak.  They spook and run like 10 feet then they just sit there and tug, tug, tug.  Yeah, it maybe a big carp in excess of 20# but it's weak for it's size.  Magikarp for you.  Like they say, "Gotta catch them all!"

    Maybe some people like to call it a sport for catching fish with weak lines and taking their sweet time to bring the fish in.  Then getting that fish to overun some neighbor's line or forcing them to pull their lines.  That's a good way to make enemies really fast when they land a fish that's only a few pounds.  I merely choose to go with stronger lines and bigger hooks to land my fish efficiently.  Yeah, I'm probably using a broom stick for a rod, but that's my choice.   So what if I make 30# fish look like a small fish.  I don't like to attract attention.  I just like to be liesurely recreational.

    Not everything has to be a challenge.  Maybe you like to be competitive because that's your nature.  You can have all the attention you want.  Maybe you can try to catch a green carp for your challenge.  For those that don't know, it's a bass that bites your dough ball.
    mooseUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:665 moose
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    06 Jun 2010 02:02 PM
    I HAVE CAUGHT MORE CARP USEING A TRUE TURN HOOK AND A BIG HOOK AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
    jcorralesUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:10 jcorrales
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    06 Jun 2010 02:56 PM
    IF YOU ARE NEW TO CARP FISHING THENE JUST GET YOUR SELF SOME CARP BAIT FROM THE STOR. AND THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT THE CARP IS FEEDING ON IN YOUR RIVER IT HAS TO BE FEEDING OFF OF SOMETHING THATS IN YOUR RIVER. XD YOU HAVE TO THINK LIKE A FISH TO KNOW A FISH XD


    you have to think like a fish to know your fish
    KrzfshrmnUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:44 Krzfshrmn
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    06 Jun 2010 03:16 PM
    If you want to learn tihe ins and outs of carp fishing go the the Carp Anglers Group forum sight and you can learn all you to know and more.

    Gaary
    StonecrusherUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:83 Stonecrusher
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    06 Jun 2010 09:24 PM
    Well, to start off with, the last thing I need to do is impress you or anyone else, seems to be a waste of time and effort for the most part, and the only real way to prove "superiority" would be to fish side by side, not a likely scenario from the sounds of it at this point. Now, where you saw a comment on your intelligence (or anyone else's, for that matter) I'm not quite sure, but people read into things whatever they want, and you were the one making comparisons to bass or salmon fishing, I merely commented on hook strength and size. On your experience with using small hooks for carp, if the carp are the ones setting the hooks when you use smaller hooks, why would you rare back and set the hook again? Did you stop to think maybe a "cutting point" and raring back on'em was the problem, and not the size of the hook, or that maybe a fish with a soft mouth fighting against a hard set drag would tear a 3 or 4 inch gash in its mouth? Seems to me I don't need to argue my point for smaller hooks, you pretty much handed over plenty of evidence on your own. As for the crossing neighbors lines hogwash, I make an effort to keep control of the fish on my lines, not the other way around, and try not to crowd my neighbors whenever possible, and there's a difference between landing fish efficiently and trying to handle a green fish at the bank.
    There is no greater fisherman than "the guy here yesterday".
    slipperybobUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1240 slipperybob
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    07 Jun 2010 08:15 AM
    I don't know the extend of your fishing knowledge or experience, I just assumed you knew better when you mentioned hair rig.  If you should choose to make such sarcastic comments such as: twenty kernals and why such big hooks to 5/0 hooks to validate your choice of small hooks then you should be able to objectify your choice for small hooks.  Surely this is not just merely commenting on hook size and strength.  You've done a lot more than just that.  If I had to count my corn kernals then I'd say I probably use between three and five corn kernals, but ten to twenty sounds ludicrous. 

    At first I was just jesting with you with smiley faces.   You've got to learn a little about fishermen lingo for fun.  Magikarp = the most weakest Pokemon which just happens to be a carp that you can only catch with the first fishing rod you get in the game, and "You gotta catch them all."  in the Pokemon game. Basskarp = jumping carp that's like a bass.  Salmonkarp = carp that makes really long runs.  Just some more fun names to call your carp comparing to what they do. 

    Furthermore you don't seem to understand some netiquette with the smiley faces.   Friendly way to laugh at your comment.  You don't use it, so maybe I'm reading into it, that your comments are just dead serious.

    So then reading and it appears to me that you dissed the bass fisherman: a locked down drag for 2lb fish 20 feet away from your feet. You've made yourself clearly that you're not jokingly at all with comments like  ...whatever...challenge...

    What is the point of putting a number like 30 lb 3 oz with #6 hook in comparison to 2 lb fish with 5/0 hook? Challenge or not a challenge in comparison?  Carp fishermen will say carp fishing is a challenge.  Bass fishermen will say bass fishing is a challenge.  Certainly there's a challenge to everything, but not everyone needs to pursue things in that manner.  I've never caught a carp 20 feet away from me, they always seem to be out further away.

    If I'm reading what you wrote pretty much just as how you wrote it, then you did establish your own superiority by stupifying me.  So this is sharing and learning on the carp section, huh?

    I still don't think a size #2 or #1 hooks is such a big hook.  It's bigger, but my success is mine and yours is yours.  I think any carp above 10 lbs have pretty big mouths.  I'm just a leisure fisherman and probably rely on dumb luck too much.  Catching a dumb carp or a dumb bass, LOL's, being a dumb bass.    Pretty much based on newbie experience, mine and those around me.  I set the hook, when I feel a bite.  I try to turn the fish before they run into rocks or log.  I don't have time to stop and think.  If the flesh tears, then it tears.  I try my best to land my fish with what seems to be the most efficient way for me.  No I don't land every fish I catch but I'm getting more successful everytime.
    slipperybobUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1240 slipperybob
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    07 Jun 2010 01:23 PM
    I was just remined of the married couple squawble.

    I'm treating this as one big joke and putting behind now.

    Admin, please delete this whole thread.
    ice cube bobUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:2708 ice cube bob
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    07 Jun 2010 02:57 PM
    Great carp tips Stonecrusher. It`s good seeing some of the guys from the old site still hanging around. We need more of the old gang around.

    God bless,
    Take care,
    and TIGHT LINES.

    ice cube bobUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:2708 ice cube bob
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    07 Jun 2010 03:00 PM
    Great carp tips Stonecrusher. It`s good seeing some of the guys from the old site still hanging around. We need more of the old gang around.

    God bless,
    Take care,
    and TIGHT LINES.

    Post out of order??


    StonecrusherUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:83 Stonecrusher
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    07 Jun 2010 05:04 PM
    So, let me get this straight, being the complete internet noob that I seem to be.....
    No posting without emoticons (smiley faces) so people can tell clearly what I mean, no matter how much I dislike them in general.
    No using proper English in a post, no matter how tempting or necessary, to keep from confusing the folks who have proper "netiquette".
    No sarcasm (implied or direct) since that negates the validity of any statement I may make in the post no matter the subject.
    Take up watching childrens' programming and playing video games in order to fully understand the new "lingo" I am obviously lacking.
    No dissing bass fishermen for flipping gear.
    No mentioning other styles of fishing in a species specific topic sections to keep from confusing others as to what I'm talking about.
    No exact weights of fish I may have caught as an example of how large a fish you can land with small hooks to keep from clouding the issue with extra numbers.

    Got it. Boy, this internet thingy is tougher than I thought, but let's give it a shot ......

    NO, let's not. I make no apologies for my use of a vocabulary my parents worked very hard to encourage in all their children. As for your emoticon fetish, you do whatever you want with'em, I choose not to use them on purpose, I find them to be nothing more than a distraction. I've gone back to the post that seems to have started all of this several times, and I've yet to find anything in it that would render anyone stunned or insensible (stupefied), but there are no emoticons so I might be missing that part (that would be the one with the rolly-polly eyes, right?). Maybe we're not talking about the same post, but you wander back and forth between two of them as suits your argument for the moment, so excuse my confusion here, I'll try to treat them both as one for clarity from now on.

    If you had actually taken what I said about smaller hooks at face value, we probably wouldn't be going back and forth like this. There was no mention of 5/0 hooks until the second post between us, in the first all I did was use a range of numbers (10-20) to exemplify peoples attempts to "hide the hook", an unnecessary act on their part. The very first thing I mentioned was the difference in strength between regular wire and forged wire, which seems to have escaped your reading entirely. Smaller hooks are less noticeable to the fish, another point. Smaller hooks take a bite with less force required on the hookset, another point. Smaller hooks cost less per package, yet another point. While the size of a fish's mouth is a consideration, it is the size of the bait being used that would ultimately be the deciding factor in size choice (you wouldn't use a #2 hook and a 6-8 inch shiner for bass, would you?). It seems you've taken my example of what I have been using for my fishing so far this season and applied it as the only rig I use at all, which is far from reality.

    Let's move on to the second, sarcastic post you seem to have so many problems with. You want me to learn about Pokemon ??? Really ? I don't own a PlayStation or XBox, don't watch the Cartoon Network, and don't spend my time watching `toons in the afternoon. Haven't even played video games since the Atari 2600 was popular back in the day, so the likelihood of that happening is not anything I would bet the farm on. Wasn't aware knowing the characters in a Japanese cartoon series and video game was required in order to qualify as a proper modern day fisherman (to quote you directly "You've got to learn a little about fishermen lingo for fun"). There needs to be a new rule book written somewhere so simpletons such as myself can refer to it from time to time to keep up with all these important changes. I mean, after all, who knew a yellow spot with a face scrawled on it could be of such vital importance?
    There is no greater fisherman than "the guy here yesterday".
    EricRidenourUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:433 EricRidenour
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    07 Jun 2010 07:55 PM
    Posted By Stonecrusher on 07 Jun 2010 06:04 PM
    So, let me get this straight, being the complete internet noob that I seem to be.....
    No posting without emoticons (smiley faces) so people can tell clearly what I mean, no matter how much I dislike them in general.
    No using proper English in a post, no matter how tempting or necessary, to keep from confusing the folks who have proper "netiquette".
    No sarcasm (implied or direct) since that negates the validity of any statement I may make in the post no matter the subject.
    Take up watching childrens' programming and playing video games in order to fully understand the new "lingo" I am obviously lacking.
    No dissing bass fishermen for flipping gear.
    No mentioning other styles of fishing in a species specific topic sections to keep from confusing others as to what I'm talking about.
    No exact weights of fish I may have caught as an example of how large a fish you can land with small hooks to keep from clouding the issue with extra numbers.

    Got it. Boy, this internet thingy is tougher than I thought, but let's give it a shot ......

    NO, let's not. I make no apologies for my use of a vocabulary my parents worked very hard to encourage in all their children. As for your emoticon fetish, you do whatever you want with'em, I choose not to use them on purpose, I find them to be nothing more than a distraction. I've gone back to the post that seems to have started all of this several times, and I've yet to find anything in it that would render anyone stunned or insensible (stupefied), but there are no emoticons so I might be missing that part (that would be the one with the rolly-polly eyes, right?). Maybe we're not talking about the same post, but you wander back and forth between two of them as suits your argument for the moment, so excuse my confusion here, I'll try to treat them both as one for clarity from now on.

    If you had actually taken what I said about smaller hooks at face value, we probably wouldn't be going back and forth like this. There was no mention of 5/0 hooks until the second post between us, in the first all I did was use a range of numbers (10-20) to exemplify peoples attempts to "hide the hook", an unnecessary act on their part. The very first thing I mentioned was the difference in strength between regular wire and forged wire, which seems to have escaped your reading entirely. Smaller hooks are less noticeable to the fish, another point. Smaller hooks take a bite with less force required on the hookset, another point. Smaller hooks cost less per package, yet another point. While the size of a fish's mouth is a consideration, it is the size of the bait being used that would ultimately be the deciding factor in size choice (you wouldn't use a #2 hook and a 6-8 inch shiner for bass, would you?). It seems you've taken my example of what I have been using for my fishing so far this season and applied it as the only rig I use at all, which is far from reality.

    Let's move on to the second, sarcastic post you seem to have so many problems with. You want me to learn about Pokemon ??? Really ? I don't own a PlayStation or XBox, don't watch the Cartoon Network, and don't spend my time watching `toons in the afternoon. Haven't even played video games since the Atari 2600 was popular back in the day, so the likelihood of that happening is not anything I would bet the farm on. Wasn't aware knowing the characters in a Japanese cartoon series and video game was required in order to qualify as a proper modern day fisherman (to quote you directly "You've got to learn a little about fishermen lingo for fun"). There needs to be a new rule book written somewhere so simpletons such as myself can refer to it from time to time to keep up with all these important changes. I mean, after all, who knew a yellow spot with a face scrawled on it could be of such vital importance?



    brother I wouldn't lett'em get to ya...... Great tips....
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    the rod tosserUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1486 the rod tosser
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    08 Jun 2010 10:27 AM
    Posted By the rod tosser on 08 Jun 2010 11:27 AM
    I dont understand why some one asks a question and some one else has to be a jerk .
    Take a lesson from the movie Bambie . thumpers mom: what did your father say .
    thumper : If you don't have nothing nice to say don't say nothing at all .

    why wreck a post with bs .

    I have used peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to catch  carp  just make a dough ball  with it .
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    fisherfanaticUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1483 fisherfanatic
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    15 Jul 2010 01:55 PM
    I have experimented with several carp baits. I have had great luck with dough balls and corn more than anything else. It also helps if you chum with bits of the bait you're using. Cut a hollow wiffle bat in half and put your chum inside. Then with a quick flick you can dispense the chum farther than by hand.
    TIGHT LINES!
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    slipperybobUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1240 slipperybob
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    15 Jul 2010 07:06 PM
    Posted By keeganbailey on 15 Jul 2010 02:55 PM
    I have experimented with several carp baits. I have had great luck with dough balls and corn more than anything else. It also helps if you chum with bits of the bait you're using. Cut a hollow wiffle bat in half and put your chum inside. Then with a quick flick you can dispense the chum farther than by hand.
    TIGHT LINES!


    Wow, that's a very innovative idea.

    I've only seen people with their scoops and once one guy with a doggy ball slingshot launcher.
    JoelWUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:172 JoelW
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    20 Jul 2010 02:35 PM

    Here are some to choose from.
    "Vegatarian: Old indian word for bad fisherman"
    fisherfanaticUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1483 fisherfanatic
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    20 Jul 2010 08:09 PM
    Try corn or dough balls (bread). Your choice to release the fish or not!
    TIGHT LINES!
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    andrewUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:3 andrew
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    24 Jul 2010 12:24 PM
    hey theres three grass carp in my pond and one is about 5 foot long i hear corn works but im not sure i know if u get some grits or oatmeal and butter and freeze it take it out put it in a slice of bread and ball it up they bite try it out and let me know what u think
    fisherfanaticUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1483 fisherfanatic
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    24 Jul 2010 12:27 PM
    Andrew, I've heard of people using cherry tomatoes and corn. Try that and see if it works!
    TIGHT LINES!
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    EricRidenourUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:433 EricRidenour
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    24 Jul 2010 05:20 PM
    Try some bread, Just ball it up ( or make a plug ) and float it. your best luck would be to try to fish it weightless and on top of the water. But thats JMHO.
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    KrzfshrmnUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:44 Krzfshrmn
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    08 Aug 2010 07:57 PM
    I cut the bottom out of a plastic pop bottle on an angle and made a handle out of a broom stick. Works good for throwing out chum. The pro carp fishermen call it a spod I believe.


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