davesett2000
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| 05 Jul 2009 05:42 PM |
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Here's a topic that we've talked about at various times over the years....but never really went in DEPTH on it. I call it lure "tweaking"...and it is essentially taking a commercially - made lure and making some type of change to it....in an effort to give the fish something a little different. I will be posting pics of some of my creations in the coming weeks.....please feel free to do the same. Here's one I recently found on Ebay for sale. It's a Bayou Boogie / Pico Perch - type lure. Someone swapped the belly hook with the "normal" line tie....resulting in what you see. Never tried it...but it's interesting. .jpg) Life Member David BB Linkmeister US Army '78-'85 West Central Wisconsin 
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Yanosick
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| 06 Jul 2009 04:36 PM |
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I see you put that topic up like you said in the Rapala topic. Looks like the lure could work. Its definitely different. I'm ready to see everyones tweaking they have done. The only tweaking I occasionally do is add feathered treble hooks, and I will add red paint to lures if there is none by where the gills should be. |
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AZAllen
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| 07 Jul 2009 11:57 AM |
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Your variation reminds me of a story of a lure which was designed to be a floater-diver and ended up, with slight modification, a surface lure---the Jitterbug. At least that is what Fred claimed. |
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davesett2000
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| 25 Jul 2009 08:52 AM |
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I've read the same thing AZ  Here's a tweak that a Member did to a Jitterbug....   I'll have MORE tweaks to show you guys in the days ahead  Life Member David BB Linkmeister
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AZAllen
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| 25 Jul 2009 03:00 PM |
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I like that one, might work better than the double hook idea I had, it was OK but I still left a Jitterbug in the weeds in a place I could not get to. |
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one of my favorites you take a jointed crank and remove the back half take the treble of the front half add a split ring to the eye hook that joined the two half's together now add a worm hook to the split ring and Texas rig a worm or grub trailer another is to simply bend the line tie eye to the right or left not to much though you now can run the bait closer to an object or under docks usually you want them to run straight but some times it pays to have them run to the left or right . Take a kid fishing
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davesett2000
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| 30 Jul 2009 12:29 PM |
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Here's an Arbogast Mud Bug I found in a tacklebox. Someone took off the original hook and screw eye, then replaced it with parts from an old Arbogast Hula Dancer so that they could put a rubber skirt on the back.  For those of you who want to fish r-bend spinnerbaits for pike...and use a leader, take a piece of "twisty-tie" and wrap as shown here. Then trim and wrap excess around the bottom arm.  Life Member David BB Linkmeister
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turnip
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| 30 Jul 2009 12:44 PM |
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These are some Rapalas that I have tweeked...   One reason that I removed the treble hooks is to reduce net damage. The other reason is that some of the smaller trebles don't hook-up so good; many lost hits. I have doen this same thing to Rebel baits that I troll with. LM since 2005 Bushwacker Deputy Sherif
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Pegsguy
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| 30 Jul 2009 06:39 PM |
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My tweak to an "r" bend spinner is to slip an appropriatly sized split ring over the bend before attatching my line. Keeps the line where it needs to be. Tom Fishin' fool in NE Illinois |
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davesett2000
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the rod tosser
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| 26 Dec 2009 10:48 AM |
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if you find a lure that gets hit alot but you are missing a lot of fish on simply replace the treble hooks with better ones one size up for better hook ups . or use a trailer hook .
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slipperybob
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the rod tosser wrote: if you find a lure that gets hit alot but you are missing a lot of fish on simply replace the treble hooks with better ones one size up for better hook ups . or use a trailer hook .

Actually it is just that. The fish clamps down on the treble and it gets pinned against the lure. You get no chance for a hook up. Fish spits lure out when you least expect it. Hard to believe but happens more often when you troll or simple put a steady retrieve on it. Sometimes the oversized hooks works better, sometimes that single hook works better. You develop a feel for it, once you see how the fish are hooked. |
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Pegsguy
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| 26 Dec 2009 10:36 PM |
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What about the "Sure Set" hooks? The feedback I have falls into the swear by or swear at them category. I have no experience with them but would like to hear something one way or another. Tom Fishin' fool in NE Illinois |
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slipperybob
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| 27 Dec 2009 04:01 PM |
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Pegsguy wrote:What about the "Sure Set" hooks? The feedback I have falls into the swear by or swear at them category. I have no experience with them but would like to hear something one way or another. Tom Fishin' fool in NE Illinois
I have had good luck with just the longer hook doing the hook up. The shorter hooks aren't always the best, the fish can unbuckle them. The metal isn't the best, but it's still better than your standard bronze hooks. |
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Yanosick
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| 30 Dec 2009 04:07 PM |
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I have a couple of Rapalas with the sureset hooks and have had no problems with them, but I do have a friend that has had his break. I don't know if it was defective or what, but I would be careful. |
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davesett2000
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| 05 Jan 2010 10:03 AM |
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Here's a few tweaks I've done using fingernail polish. The Waterdog had paint damage...but I had found a bottle of yellow polish and one of black that fixed it. The "gold" colored Wart was chrome like the other one in the beginning. The spoons are actually 2 thin flutter spoons glued together with Eileen's Tacky Glue....water-proof. I've soaked one of these in the beginning in a glass of water for 3 days without any problems. Dang camera flash doesn't show this stuff well   
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turnip
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| 05 Jan 2010 08:23 PM |
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Those look good Dave! This is what I like about the BB. Someone is always coming up with new or different ideas on altering tackle so that it may be used again. The more we tweek the more likely we are to find that "magic" that turns an unused lure into a hot item!   LM since 2005 Bushwacker Deputy Sherif
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muskygirl
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Dave, does this mean you found your missing box of nail polish?

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davesett2000
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Definitely not Cheri...these were done prior to the disappearing act of that box. But I've since reloaded another batch of colors and glitters though  Life Member David BB Linkmeister
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davesett2000 wrote: Definitely not Cheri...these were done prior to the disappearing act of that box. But I've since reloaded another batch of colors and glitters though  Life Member David BB Linkmeister US Army '78-'85 West Central Wisconsin  Dave wackin those lures with a hammer doesn't count as twekin the lure,and I'm sure that box of paint is in the Basement    Retired-psg /Infantry,Purple Heart and a Few others, VietNam Vet, Ex Deputy Sheriff SCCSD, and all around good Guy! Living in Wisconsin |
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davesett2000
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Definitely not in the basement Lou....as one of the 1st things I did when I got back here to Wisconsin was to go through the basment and sort stuff  Here's another tweak to an Arbogast lure....saw this in a group of lures for sale on Ebay a few days ago... 
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Bummer Dave, The popper is lookin good. Retired-psg /Infantry,Purple Heart and a Few others, VietNam Vet, Ex Deputy Sheriff SCCSD, and all around good Guy! Living in Wisconsin |
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davesett2000
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No worries Lou  I personally would have used a different color combination on the Hula Popper though  Here's another Arbogast lure that I saw recently that had been tweaked....the idea that I personally had would be to put a double hook on the back...with a curly-screw-eye wire (sometimes called a hitchhiker) soft plastic holder...and a double tail grub   MY personal belief is that you can experiment with this similar combination with just about ANY topwater lure.....and even crankbaits  Life Member David BB Linkmeister
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davesett2000
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Here's yet ANOTHER tweaked lure I ran into this morning on Ebay  A jointed Rebel minnow that has been "reversed"  
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davesett2000
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Ebay is a constant merry-go-round of bunches of lures...and some of the stuff you run across is amazing to say the least  Here's a Heddon Chugger I saw recently in a group of lures that was tweaked! 
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turnip
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| 02 May 2010 08:03 PM |
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I can see how that might be more effective with the hair tied on like it is...My choice would have been a little marabou... LM since 2005 Bushwacker Deputy Sherif
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slipperybob
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| 22 Sep 2010 11:46 AM |
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Classic Old Timer mods for jointed lures.


Original thread: http://www.nafc.com/forums/aff/134/aft/54029/afv/topic
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turnip
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| 22 Sep 2010 01:18 PM |
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Those are some interesting combinations! Have you givin any thought to dressing that rear trebble with marabou? |
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davesett2000
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Discussion about slipperybob's initial post about the pics above 
jtaylor23 New Poster Posts: 51 20 Sep 2010 02:30 PM slipperybob, Not a bad idea have you tried any?? I have some old broken ones that i'm going to rig up them and try it out...Have a good day THANKS JOHN
basbandit Advanced Poster Posts:383 20 Sep 2010 02:44 PM
Bob you may have just started something here. Some day you just might rich and famous. The question is have you caught anything on em yet? Harry
slipperybob Advanced Poster Posts:732 20 Sep 2010 03:31 PM
These are old lures that I lugged around for years. Have seen their shares of fishing and have seen their shares of just sitting in the tackle box. The Jointed Floating Rap has some semi rusty original hooks. The mods have been done last year for these two models but there have been others from before. Photos are just that I've gotten a little digital camera over the summer for fishing photo opportunity. Well the Jointed Floating Rap will always catch Pikes. This particualer one keeping the wire for the tail hasn't been fully tested for fish catching ability. It's the J11 size and it is intended to give bass a different look, but hasn't really been a priority pick.
There are just plenty of other lures that will work better for bass. I'm also not so fond of how the J11dives. They don't dive much nor can they wake subsurface much either. So the plastics helps for those situation of just mostly twitching lure on the surface. Kind of thinking that maybe next spring I'll give it a whirl for White bass and see how that goes. It does sit kind of funny with the broken tail section basically straight down from behind. White bass are a lot more aggressive so it'll be really interesting to see how this will play out for me. I have another thought for the J13 size, but I will probably just add a wire as a plastic keeper on the tail. Essentially making it more like tipping with plastics. I like how the J13's have a better dive angle. Kind of hoping that these can be used more for Walleyes instead of just Pikes. The Jointed Shad Rap, hasn't been fished for any particular species yet. I was rigging it for Walleye fishing in mind and has gone through several other mods. I've tossed it a few times and it has the feeling of running true. Still a plain jig and curly tail will probably outfish it for Walleyes, but I like to crank hard baits so much more. Hoping that the added plastics will solicit more strikes. So that's why I've settle for just a Siwash trailer hook on the lure and a small thin wire treble on the belly of the lure. They do have a tendency to hang up on the bottom, so this will help recovering the lure from hang ups. |
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slipperybob
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Here are some marabou feathered trailers  Yozuri Snap Shad. Tennesse Shad pattern w chartreuse marabou. Golden/black pattern with yellow marabou. These lures don't have much action, so the marabou allows myself to fish it even with slower twitches. |
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slipperybob
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| 22 Sep 2010 09:19 PM |
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 Xrap Joint Shad with Mepps Musky Marabou attached. Still waiting to be tested on the water. |
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turnip
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| 25 Sep 2010 12:11 PM |
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Here's a "tweak" job for ya...

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slipperybob
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| 25 Sep 2010 10:37 PM |
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Sometimes I need a micro spinnerbait so that I can flutter it down the water column and jig it back up. I couldn't do it with the inline spinners so I remade some of them into micro spinnerbaits. I've yet to test them out fully but on the local pond, they seem to do their job okay on those pesky pannies.  Bluefox grasshopper vibrax remake into micro spinnerbait. Mepps ultralite Aglia remake into micro spinnerbait. |
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turnip
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| 26 Sep 2010 04:57 AM |
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This may sound like a dumb question, but why the counter weight on the hook side? |
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slipperybob
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| 26 Sep 2010 07:22 AM |
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Beats me. I just kept all the components of the original lure. I'd just figure that's the way it's suppose to look and went at it. |
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turnip
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| 26 Sep 2010 09:33 AM |
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Well, after some thought, perhaps it's to keep the "bait" part down and the spinner up... |
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slipperybob
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| 26 Sep 2010 04:41 PM |
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That's the weird thing. It seems to work. I think it's because the blade is so large that it has enough drag to stay up. I'm gonna give it some ice fishing tests to see how well it works. |
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turnip
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| 28 Sep 2010 06:12 AM |
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They also look like great ultra light baits! |
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AZAllen
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| 28 Sep 2010 10:25 AM |
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I think you are right Turnip. |
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turnip
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slipperybob
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Last fall fishing, I had some frustrating adrenaline busting bites from many smallmouth bass. I've never missed the hook set completely on every single bass ever in any outing. I thought they were hitting and swimming forward with the buzzbait, and I couldn't get a hook set on them. I was completely wrong after I clearly saw them hitting the lure up close. They were targetting the front of the lure where there is no hook. So to remedy this, I have tied a treble to the front of the lure to hang just off the belly of the head. I've yet to test it to see if the treble will give me the hook up I'm looking for those front lure biting smallmouth bass.
 Terminator Tiny Buzzbait with a treble hook tied to the front belly of the lure.
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turnip
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| 30 Sep 2010 07:28 AM |
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I noticed that with pike also. At the time I wasn't using steel leaders so I lost a lot of spinnerbaits. I also saw this when the strike was made close to the boat, but I wasn't using a buzzbait, just a spinnerbait. My answer to that was use steel leaders all the time...It will be interesting to see how this works out for you... |
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 Here's another lure, I've been kind of playing around with. The idea of a belly spinner blade is not new, but I've kind of had to create my own variation to it with a Salmo Hornet size 3 crank. I had started with a small colorado spinner blade size 0, but now I've swapped it out to a size 1 willow. The willow blade is heavier so the lure should stay on the bottom when stopped instead of floating back up. I've forgotten to bring it out during the last few fishing trips, so it hasn't seen a field test yet with the willow blade. |
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slipperybob
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After just a fish tank test, I've already decided on a few tweaks to the Northland Live Forage Ice lures.
 Live Forage Minnow spoon: Swapped hook position and threaded swivel
 Moxie Minnow spoon: Added splitring and threaded swivel
 Live Forage Minnow Trap: Added splitrings, red hooks, and blade.
Let's see how the first few field tests will come up with....
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slipperybob
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| 08 Dec 2010 06:38 PM |
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Live Forage Fish Fry Minnow Trap: modified with splitrings, red hooks, tailspin blade, and bulging expoxy eyes.   |
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| 08 Dec 2010 09:50 PM |
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Salmo Chubby Darters made to look more real with epoxy eyes.   |
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turnip
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I like your modifications. The addition of the bulging eyes is interesting. I take it you will be jigging with the forage minnow? The placement of the hooks is like it would be for a spoon, which should work well! Do you really feel the added eyes will make a difference? Very interesting, and I look forward to hearing how you make out! |
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A lot of times when I get fish that just stares at a jig for a long time, I've found that half of the time, the painted eye's work better than a plain signle color jig head. The more realistic the eyes were, in those crucial times, the higher the probability of the fish to bite. In addition flat jigs like Northland Forage Fry jigs, some came with eyes on both side while others only had eyes on the pattern side. I've found that the lures with eyes on both sides had a slightly better bite ratio. So taking that loosely collected data, I'm hoping that it will also apply to the lures I modified as well. Besides, it's more proprotion with fry size lures to have large eyes. |
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