This post can retire or keep going,but if the government made a law to stop gas motors no one here will have any sayso.Gas motors are damaging the waters along with everything else.

You don't like this post,then don't reply and it will end!Everyone has their own opinion and that's just mine about gas motors.

If you want to go someplace and get to the bottom of this give your yahoo messenger name and we can settle this once and for all on live chat,otherwise don't post any garbage talk.This post is a simple opinion and if you don't like it that's just you.We can sort this out by messenger or let it go.

Because of yalls trashy talk is what they told me,everyone arguing over it.I'll remember that if I don't like what any of you guys post I can create a disaster and they'll remove yalls just as they did mine.I can stir it up so yalls can be deleted too.Don't be a braggy face retired psg.I'll go to yours if you think it's funny and then they'll remove yours if I stir it up just as they did mine.They said the recieved complaints about everyone posting verbal abuse on this thread,so I'll remember that and go to yalls to cause yalls to be deleted,the same way mine was,then see how funny you think it is retired psg when they delete yours.

Give a yahoo messenger name to settle the difference or don't reply because they just remove it and no one can see each others response.Everyone can give their own opinion which is what I did,so if you have alot to say give a yahoo messenger name and then everything will get settled over live chat where it can't be removed,otherwise let this post die off,it was a simple opinion that others don't see and if a law took over everyone would have to agree.If you wanna talk trash do it over live chat or leave this alone so it can die off.

Why do you keep posting this?  You say it is your opinon that gas engines pollute the water where you live.  That is fine, we can all agree with that.

But you go off the deep end when anybody wants to debate you. Maybe contact the EPA or 60 Minutes if it is that bad.

   When you start in with the Gov't making laws against them...ect.  That is hypothetical.   Yes, if gas motors are banned, we couldn't use them. But that will never happen, in the real world.  If the gov't made a law that said you couldn't use sunscreen, we'd all be sunburned.   What if....???

   Why are cigarettes not banned.  Or alchol.  There is too much money involved in lobbying, taxes, kickbacks, and so on.

Stop and think how many billions of dollars revolve around the fishing/marine industry.  Commercial and recreational.

We have given you links to the manufacturers that show the new technology in emissions and EPA standards. Did you even look at them?   We do not live in the times of coal-fired steamers like the Titanic, or fuel oil battleships with giant smokestacks. 

If you want to post your opinions, feel free.  Just be prepared for others to share theirs as well.  And if you eliminate your imaginary gov't bans, we might take you seriously and maybe help with your water quality issues, but if you are here petitioning us to get rid of our motors, you're S.O.L.

And you wonder why you're getting verbal abuse.

Why would I want to make this private?  Then everybody would miss out on your highly intellectual replies. 

   I tried to give you some reasoning and even complied with you on your issue, but you still insist on bringing up your fantasy law and need to argue with everyone.  I'm going fishing now, (with my Merc. 2-stroke), but I'll be back later to see what brilliant words of wisdom you have for us.

And again you offer no substance to your position.  You just throw it back at anyone who questions you...That is most definatly a PETA tactic!  I will not post here again, you are false, sir!

IF they did I would be doing every thing I could to get it over ruled and a throw out.

and that's just my opinion no trash talk. 1st time I saw this post so I have no idea what went on before.

One question for you tho !!!!!!

What are you doing to get motors banned on water ways???

The reason I ask is so I can be ready to stop it if I can!!!!

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Old fart has to depend on beer to live with peer pressure,HAH!!Rallen 3 you talk about verbal abuse.I don't care what weaklin throws that up,because I have the same abuse for you,too.It's the site owners who keeps deleting stuff and why post on here when everything gets deleted,then no one sees the others reply.Messenger is a chat that don't end until you click to end,so why not all of you here go to yahoo messenger if any of you have the guts to stand up for what you believe in like I do!None of you here have any guts or you'll post someplace that can't get deleted like messenger!

No one will be able to outrule a law if they choose that kind,so I don't care what any of you here think  to say you would protest a law like that because no one here likes taxes either and they won't stop those,so the law with gas motors wouldn't be any different than no one liking taxes,so TUFF those of you who don't like it.

Turnip go wherever you like.You're the false one here!

Rallen 3 you talk about brillian words of wisdom.No one here has brilliant words of wisdom.I never said I do either,all I gave was my opinion for better waters and so that has nothing to do with words of wisdom.Maybe yours words!

This site isn't worth posting anything on when it all gets deleted in a disagreement.I missed alot of yalls trash and yall missed alot of my trash on here,so if any of you have GUTS you'll use messenger or some sort of service that won't delete during disagreements,otherwise it shows none of you here have real TALK because it gets deleted then either I don't see your response or you don't see mine,so why post here,post someplace it won't get deleted until you see it if you have real opinion.

You can believe whatever you want about junk talk,but yall ar the ones not letting it die off,so yall are the ones who has to end the replies,then I will.

I didn't say anything about any of the links you gave,it's you mixing stuff up,I said let this post die or go to messenger so it don't delete the discussion and can get to the bottom of this,nothing can be settled on here!

I have not posted any thing that is out of line. I disagree with what you have posted and posted what I feel is right and that's no big deal. I have not gone down the name calling road as some do. I find that is a waste of time and just puts a end to any learning curve someone could get from read such a thread.  A LONG time ago I read and re-read what you are just posted about and it took me a long ( close to a year) time before I could check that box so I could post on here. If you are on this site on your mom and dads dime you DO have some thing to worry about and may want to consider editing your post BUT that is up to you. Then you want a no holds barred , knot down , drag out on messenger , give me a break. What would that prove ?????  Someone can call someone else bigger and better names !!!!!!!  Wow that would really prove some thing Eh !!!!!

I thought I asked you a civil question in what are YOU doing to stop the use of motors on your waterway.

I've worked a long time to be doing what I do now FISH and I fish out of a BOAT with TWO Motors on it a 2 stroke 80 hp Merc to get where I want to fish and a 15 hp 4 stroke to troll with do you think I would sit on my hands while someone would try to pass a law such as your talking about ???? If you do you better think again it's NOT going to happen IF there's any thing I can do to STOP IT. You can take that to the bank.

I think it great you believe in some thing and feel so strong about it but that's not going to get things changed the way you feel they should be.

fishermanj,

Sorry I have to agree with the others you brought the subject up here on the NAFC BB so any and all information exchanged should be done here on the BB not on messanger.   This forum is a public forum and freedom of speech applys here as well as long as the bi-laws of the privacy policy are followed in which ""we all agreed not to use any obscene, indecent, or offensive language or to place on The Websites any material that is defamatory, abusive, harassing, or hateful""

With that said here's a few links for you to check out

Impacts of outboard motors on the aquatic environment  http://www.prr.msu.edu/rmrc/researc...onment.htm

local contacts

  http://srwqis.tamu.edu/tennessee/pr...essee.aspx

http://www.tva.gov/environment/index.htm

http://www.tn.gov/environment/ea/pdf/ea_summaryreport.pdf

"Friends are GOD's way of showing us that we don't have to fish alone"
"Take a child fishing"

(Wi) Life Member

Jerry K.

Way To Go ERABBIT !!!!!

Fishermanj. it is you that has kept this going by your "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" attitude  and your arrogance.  You are truly entitled to your opinion but when ones mind is "made up" (closed) ahead of time then you are not seeking discussion about your views, you are seeking affirmation and are apparently very upset that you are not getting it. 

It also seems that you have decided to become a crusader on that subject, which is certainly your right.  You should not be surprised that those whose toes you step on, get P.O.ed. 

EZrabbit it's awful to hear you had a mother pass away and I don't care to hear about you going to a lake with motors,becasue it's not a law yet,but maybe in the future.THE LAW ISN'T WITH YALL while you said it was EZRABBIT,YOU'RE WRONG on that one.

I'm not the one who says not to post,the site owner is the one deleting this post which means if it don't stop it will hurt membership on here,so don't tell me about others getting P.O ed because I can get P.O ed too AZALLEN.It's the site owner to worry about on here.Not members like you!This site limits your speech and it's not a free speech,so if anyone wants to talk they can do it on messenger.It's no good talking on here when it can hurt membership.

AZALLEN I don't care how you feel about it because I didn't step on anyones toes,so I don't care who gets P.O ed as you claim.I'm not the one with the problem on here it's the rest of you who can't handle different opinions.I'm not going to keep posting on this site when they try to say it can cost you your membership with NAFC.READ THE TERMS OF USE "TERMINATION" SECTION.I just gave my opinion which other's don't like,no more than drivers like speeding laws,the same applies to gas motors if they ever make laws,years or centuries from now.Messenger is better because it's all open chat,no limits to your speech on here one thing and it's deleted.Others have kept this posting going,not me and I say just let it die off,because it will hurt memberships otherwise and it's not worth losing membership.

If anyone has anything to say they want to be seen they'll use messenger so it can't be erased or terminate your membership.Let's just end this post and let it drift away for good.As long as we keep posting it will never end it will destroy our membership according to the user agreement.This ain't the place to post this anyways.Lawmakers and the government are the only ones who can view this and decide,not anyone on here.Let's just end this post before it costs all of us memberships.

If you think I'm just gonna HUSH my opinion then you need brain treatment retired psg,because I just give my opinion,so you're lost in your dreams if you think I'm not gonna give my opinion.You're the ranting one going on about a post like this,so if you wanna lose your membership,keep posting like you are,because according to the terms for termination,you get no refund when they terminate your account for violation of the terms,so if you wanna lose your membership keep posting,otherwise let it go,because I don't wanna lose my benefits like you might retired psg and whatever you mean my JMHO that don't say anything.

You are the one typing arrogant replies when someone disagrees retired psg,not me.Everyone has their own opinion just as I have mine and it's you keeping it on retired psg,so just let go of it and this will die off for good!This isn't the site for discussion like you seem to think retired psg.Any discussions,like this,here will cost membership according to terms of use.I am not the one who's gonna lose membership for violation like you might want to retired psg.I'm trying to end it while some on here like you is trying to grow it and it needs to die off and go away before kills our membership with NAFC.

If you care for your membership,as the terms say,retired psg you'll let this post die.I don't think anyone here wants anything to risk their membership so we should all agree on one thing,forget this whole post.It's going nowhere but losing our membership,because of the speech we have.We can't post our feelings here and enjoy membership.It's like we have to pick between our opinion and our membership,because it's been deleted and that means if it keeps going it will be a violation according to the terms.It's not this post we to worry about anyomre,it's our membership.Read the terms it says it all.They have members hooked with the terms,so why don't we let go of it so we don't have anything more to deal with or worry about because it's going from our opinions to our membership according to the terms.All I think about now is the terms because that's what will matter if they take away membership and I don't want mine at risk like some here may such as retired psg who don't wanna forget the whole thing.

  retired_psg, did you get that brain treatment yet? I was thinking of converting my OLD boat to electric, but I think I'll just keep the 1976 85HP Johnson that put 30% of its fuel straight into the river. At least I will be able to keep up with you guys in your newer non-poluting boats.

  FJ, even the president can't change boating laws. It doesn't matter what the hippie/treehuggers want. There is too much money to loose by both business, and local government through tourism. And no law will pass the congress unless the lobbyist want it to.

  A much worse polution in our waters in Agriculture and the runoff from farms. My local river was poisoned and ALL the fish killed because of Pig Manure that ran off into the river. The alge bloom that you see all the time is not from gas motors, it is from fertilizer that enhances the growth rate of alge that consumes all the oxygen and thereby killing the fish. Or look at your local municipality, are they dumping raw sewage into the rivers? Its still happening.

JMHO

Fish-a-holic presidents can change anything they want,so you're wrong on that one.You wanna put fuel in the river,see you're up to pollution.Now it's you keeping it on.Leave this post alone about gas motors and let it go away fish-a-holic like the rest of us are.I never said it's the only thing or the worst thing,I said it's just another thing hurting the waters,but we've all forgot about this post and let's keep it this way.Fish-a-holic you have to let go like the rest of us.It's gone out of discussion,so don't try to bring it back up,no one else has,nor have I said anything else,because we can't speak freely on here.I stopped,everyone else stopped,now fish-a-holic you should drop it,too,so it goes away.We've all agreed to forget about this so why don't you fish-a-holic.Back to retired psg.Have you caught anything or just largemouth?I'm just wondering how much luck your area has.My area has hardly no fish nearby.

  Presidents are puppets and anything they do can be undone by the ones that follow.

  I was really more interested in finding out if retired-psg had that brain treatment yet, and how it was coming along.

  And as long as I follow the rules I can post whatever and whereever I want.

  My membership is not on the line. I have not said or done anything to warrant loosing my membership. Just because no one else wants to post here doesn't mean that I can't. And you are welcome to post all over mine, it makes no difference to me.

  By the way I won't be able to "chat" with you for a while. I am going to Alaska to do a little work and a lot of fishing. As a tax payer I would like to thank you for the trip. I couldn't do it on my own dime.

Please take the time to spell my name right , thank you. Are you from Vt. by chance ??

I have never agreed to : "You have to forget the topic like the rest of us!!"

 like you keep stating.

Now that you used bassbum name in your reply he will HAVE to reply again.

I will keep replying tell I don't feel like it any more.

Soon I will be back out on the lake legally running my gas motor up and down the lake looking for some dumb fish to hook up with. It's nice to sit here and type this as the law is with me in real life. The law you post about is in your dreams and you just don't seem to have any GOOD info for me to even feel bad about running my gas motor legally up and down the lake. You don't want to post any defence of your dream law. You keep saying we should stop posting about it cause we will lose our membership to the BB.

I ask you to show me the words that I worte or to post on here where it said we can't talk about gas motors on the water and you post for me to SHUT UP ,,,,, Well guess what that anit going to happen !!!! You don't like what I have to say just don't reply using MY name spelled right or wrong and I just may leave this post alone. As far as running gas motors legally on the water. Just for your infomation there are places where I can't run mine but I'm not freely going to post it here so you can see it.

I dunno EZ Rabbit's kinda catchy.

 EZ Rabbit? Yup thats catchy.

Ya know guys I never have put a name on my big boat maybe I'll call it the

"E-Z Rabbit "

Hey fishermanj  thanks for the idea there young fellow. But remember now that will be my boat NOT me...............,.......,,,.....

I don't care what ya call it, just make sure da shunk is outa it by the time eye gets up there!

fishermanj I went to Ohio to the first Ohio NAFC Meet I rode in a boat that my buddy brought out from Pa. to Ohio. We were totally with the law or as I some times say the law was on our side for us motoring around on that lake. 

Read below :

Ohio Boating Laws

Now if you can read (I'm not saying you can't so don't get all PO here ) show me where the law is NOT behind , OK , with me on running a gas motor on that lake.

Have a nice day now ya hear !!!

ERABBIT wrote:

fishermanj I went to Ohio to the first Ohio NAFC Meet I rode in a boat that my buddy brought out from Pa. to Ohio. We were totally with the law or as I some times say the law was on our side for us motoring around on that lake. 

Read below :

 

Ohio Boating Laws

Ohio boating laws are enforceable on all waters of the state including private waterways.

The Ohio Boat Operator's Guide is a boater-friendly summary of Ohio boating laws and safety considerations. [Request a Printed Copy]

Recent Rule and HP Changes on Inland Lakes in Ohio

Required Equipment - The safety equipment required to be carried on board your boat depends on how the boat is propelled, the length of the boat, who is on it, and sometimes the body of water where you are boating.

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Common Answers

• Barring any local rules or regulations, it is legal to boat on any body of water as long as you don't cross private land to do so. The land under a river or stream is considered to be the property of the adjacent landowner.
• The Ohio River is considered to be "federal waters" and boaters need to comply with all U.S. Coast Guard requirements. When operating on the river bound by Ohio and Kentucky, all Ohio AND Kentucky laws are in effect. [Operating Regulations for the Ohio River]
• Boaters who operate vessels powered by greater than 10 horsepower and who were born on or after January 1, 1982, are required to successfully complete a NASBLA-approved boating course [More on Ohio’s Mandatory Education Law]
• Children under the age of 12 MAY NOT operate a PWC (ie. Jet-ski, Sea-Doo, etc), under any circumstances. Children 12 to 15 may operate if they have an education certificate AND there is an adult (18 or older) onboard with them. Young adults age 16 and older may operate if they have an education certificate. [More on PWCs and Ohio's Operator Age Requirements]
• Titles are required for all PWC (ie. Jet-ski, Sea-Doo, etc) before ownership can be transferred

Now if you can read (I'm not saying you can't so don't get all PO here ) show me where the law is NOT behind , OK , with me on running a gas motor on that lake.

Have a nice day now ya hear !!!

 

More like if you can read ERABBIT I didn't say at this point nobody can.The law as of now does allow gas motors.I said maybe in the future they'll change the way boats run and make something less toxic than gas,but not at this point and besides get off the subject it's over with.the law is the law as of right now,but there are always new laws as time passes ERABBIT,so forget the current topic like I've been telling you and move on to a new topic.Quit trying to cause trouble between members with your lame words of current laws.Like everyone don't get how it is at this point,of course they are like you're putting it right now being on your side,meaning you can legally run them right now,but I said in the future they may,could be 5,10,20,how ever many years passed before they decide,or if they ever do.No one knows if they will or won't,but ERABBIT you need to let go of the subject.It caused too much to alot of members,unlike you!You're posting it so I am.LEAVE THE OLD TOPIC OUT AND START NEW ERABBIT!!!They can delete this now,becase I'm through posting someplace like here that can cost membership when it brings out the worst in a person.The next time it's deleted,it will remain that way unless one of you restart the topic and then it won't be my problem anylonger.There's no having a discussion about changes on here ERABBIT and so you have to learn one thing,"FORGET THE TOPIC AND START NEW".So what how it is with motors now,who cares,it's the future to look for not the present.Erabbit leave it alone before disaster breaks out and alot of us lose membership.If you don't wanna start fresh,use something like messenger,so there's no worries,but not on here where all our opinions can cause us harm with membership.I've let go of it and so are more of us,but you (ERABBIT) keep bringing this up about what it is now,and that's just now,not forever if the EPA ever finds stuff out.That's for them to decide,not any of us here.Talk about something else besides this garbage ERABBIT!!

This statement you made here kept me posting about running my gas motor. The way I read this you are calling me a (lair) that when I said the law was with me running my gas motor. You put a period at the end of your future law. Then went on to say

 "THE LAW ISN'T WITH YALL while you said it was EZRABBIT,YOU'RE WRONG on that one."

Now that you admit the law IS with me at this time I can drop it.

This is a very good topic but IMHO you just seem to go overboard when someone is not 100% behind what you think. How boring this wold would be if we all felt,thought and said the same things.

Have you wet a line yet this season. If so how did ya do ?

fishermanj wrote:

OMG!!! My side is hurting from Laughing so much.... lmao!!!

FJ Don't get me wrong you are 200% right about the boat motor's hurting the waters we fish. Let me put it to you in this Fact. if all Gass Motor's was banned in the USA. and lets say you was out on the Water and something bad goes wrong "hope they never do" but you call 911 and the Fire Dept, Police Dept can not respond to help cause they can't use their Rescue/Patrol boats cause they all have Gas Powered Motors on them. what would you do?

Myself my life and the life of others come first then property. and so on. Yes I am a Fire Fighter and darn proud of it! I am a 3rd gen Fireman. I can't count how many times My FD has had to get our boat out just to help people. and if it wasn't for the "GAS MOTOR" on our boat some of the people might have passed away, one of them would have been a little 8 year old girl.

Don't get me wrong here you are right about your post. but over 90% of all things being sold in the USA is brought in over sea's by boat! Yes I think all boat Motors should be inspected for leaks and if they leake then they must be fixed before you can get them Licensed for the year. They are other ways to help fix problims besides banning things. besides  the USArmy? well what do you think all the hummers,tanks and so on does the air we all breath?????????????

or are you just one of these people that likes to get people upset just to cause a problime???

get my point?

But like I said you are right on your subject. Alot of us do care about mother nature. and all she has to offer us.

only thing I can say that I learned from DeMolay "think twice speak once"

thank you and have a GREAT & SAFE Night

Will SOMEONE in the STAFF on here shut this OBNOXIOUS person UP???

Hi Dave! Guess old pepsi struck a nerve?

Not in the LEAST Fred.

FJ has not said ONE positive thing on here about fishing. ALL he does is run his MOUTH about HIS thought of a PIPE DREAM motor law that will NEVER be enacted AND continually berates EVERYONE else here.

I may have had disagreements with folks over the past times...but not like this continual DRIVEL

fj,

'If you build it, they will come'......If you stop responding,they will leave you, and this post alone.   Think about it.

FJ-

Then just STOP posting ANYTHING on this thread..."I've already said I'm through with this post"...exactly!! You have said numerous times you are done posting..BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!! Yet you CONTINUE to KEEP posting!!!

That's the point pepsidrinker!Let's all think of it that way so it dies for good or it will die when the staff takes it off.

pepsidrinker wrote:

Well Guys I guess we now know what to do... Lets leave this "as carlos mancia calls, DEEDADEEEE" ALONE!!!

 

fishermanj wrote:

The more you post,the more I will.

soon to be LiFe MeMbEr Leon, "Catch and Release, to Catch them again later.""Always ask permission to hunt or fish on private land" Tread lightly on all public and non public land help keep mother nature looking great!

I'll post as long as you do,so BLAH,BLAH,BLAH YOURSELF beeatchook!!!YOU'RE NOT DONE EITHER WHILE YOU SAY YOU ARE!You stop,like you told me or I won't!I'm done when everyone else is!

FJ leave it be. Non of the Adults that you are posting too are worried about getting their membership pulled for the stuff in this forum. Non of us have done anything that would warrant removal from the NAFC.

  BTW, no one that I have seen is catching any Salmon from Ship Creek in Ankorage. I was crappy last year too.

“I'm not going to keep posting on this site”

“don't care if the owner deletes this now,let him,because I'm through”

“nor have I said anything else”

“I've already said I'm through with this post”

“because I'm through with this topic”

“because I'm quitting this post”

“I've dropped it”

“becase I'm through posting”

HMMMMMM...guess not huh?

I guess we will see what happens won't we?

Good use of the numerous exclamation points!!!!!!!! It was a nice touch

FJ-

Have you guys been getting any rain lately? Does that help clean up the water or does it just stir up more debris/trash?

Been catching anything?

We just had some HUGE storms and tornados here. Grapefruit sized hail, super windy etc. Been doing ok fishng wise. No real numbes of fish but everything I have caught has been pretty good sized. Mainly walleye and crappie, with a few stripers and cats thrown in from time to time.

Are most of those out of the county private ponds/lakes or does the public have access to fish them?

Retired psg thanks for your input on contacts and possibilities of what's harming the waters,but I will relocate some time because they don't care in this state what's wrong with these waters,maybe if you're in the big cities,but not one as small as this one.When I relocate it will be a nicer area,less dry,better fishing and safer quality for fish.Can't enjoy fishing while being here,because there's either no fish biting or it's risky to have if they do,so I have to miss out on the fun of fishing for now or keep traveling to the next city to have a good day of fishing,but not in the city I live,it's falling apart.None of you wanna try here and if you do,give me a holler when you hook something fresh and safe,LOL.That would be great news if anyone gets lucky here,because so far noone is much lucky here.

Good luck catching whoppers retired psg!

Lookinig at the general area that you live in....you are pretty close to some famous fishing waters like Center Hill and Percy Priest.....among other decent reservoirs within 30 miles or so....

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&...p&z=10

Are you talking about those as not being good...or just the small waters near the town?

Here's my general area....looking at the map, you will see that it's about 30 miles from Red Wing to Wabasha.....so that will give you an idea as to how big the lake is...

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&a...6&z=11

If you zoom out on that map you'll see where I'm at in the US. Also....if you follow the Mississippi River south and east from there you will see La Crosse, WI, which is where we have had the La Crosse Meet for the last 5 years....and it's where Rod Tender, Lazarus, retired-psg and fish-a-holic have all met, fished and camped together. It starts on July 15th....but I will be there on the 13th.

I haven't been able to get out much yet this year as not only do I have some repair work to do on the house....but have a little boat repair to get done too...

Those new 2 strokes are nice and much cleaner.

The one good thing about them is they are alot lighter than a 4 stroke. You are right, the 4 stroke will just get better.