Next time you got out for cats. Stop at a grocery store and grabe some nice fresh bloody liver. Any kind will do from chick to what ever you can find. Now my suggesting is Files the barb on the hooks your useing for them doen so they are almost bardless and use a 20 pound leader of about 2 or 3 feet long with a slidding sinker before a barrel swivel. If you want to catch Cats, thats the way. Or if you can get your hands on it chopped Harring. I dont know if you guys in the western part of the state can get it? Im sure if you look you can. But I say liver because it work very well and its easy to come by. Let me know how you do. I bet ya you'll get more then a few Catfish with liver or Harring cut chunk. Also I have had very large Cat bite down on me. Its not that bad its the fact that the fish will grunt at me that freaks me out. lol Watch out for the SPIKES as well.