Fishing & The '08 Presidential Election
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DanOUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:262 DanO
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30 Jan 2008 11:31 AM
    This is Wrong... This is absolutely NOT THE PLACE for POLITICS.....Besides, If you think any Politician gives a flying Jitterbug about us Fishermen you better get your HEAD OUTA  YOUR BASS... WE come to this site to talk & learn about FISHING, NOT POLITICS...I love the NAFC and am proud to be a member and I come to this site very often to check the posts and talk to friends about FISHING!!!  Politics is a Very Messy Can of  Worms and I don't think we should Take the Bait and discuss it here... Personally I was SHOCKED  when I even seen this Post and I think it should be REMOVED.
    NAFC EditorsUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:12 NAFC Editors
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    29 Jan 2008 09:36 AM

    In 2008 we as anglers, conservationists and parents who want to pass fishing on to our children have a big decision to make. Each of us must choose for himself or herself which candidate is going to best represent our interests and sustain, if not champion, America's fishing traditions as the next President of the United States.

    The mainstream media virtually ignores these issues of tremendous importance to us, so the first question is: "What sources do you rely on to determine "the truth" of various presidential candidates' stands and past performance when it comes to fishing and conservation?"

    Then the second question is: "Once you determine a candidate's real position on fishing and conservation where does that issue rank in importance in your final determination of your vote? Are angling and clean water THE issues that make up your mind or do you consider them among a bunch of other things?"

    pillmanUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1579 pillman
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    29 Jan 2008 06:54 PM
    Fishing, conservation and clean water are all very important to me.  But most of the candidates just pay us a little lip service and say the right things during the campaigns.  I read somewhere that Mitt Romney's position is that of a lifelong hunter, when in fact he's been hunting twice in his life.  The fact that he was born in Michigan is a factor, might make him more receptive to our causes, but I wouldn't hold my breath.  Most politicians look at the outdoorsmen's votes as a bonus, not something they really need to get elected.  I don't think we are considered mainstream, no pun intended.  These issues are probably much more important on a state or local level.
    here fishy, fishy, fishy - 3230 posts and counting
    TopwaterMuskyExplosionUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:17 TopwaterMuskyExplosion
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    29 Jan 2008 06:58 PM

    If you ask me McCain is our best bet.

    If not him than another Republican.

    Minuteman Minuteman
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    29 Jan 2008 08:17 PM
    I'm warming up to supporting McCain. He wasn't my first choice, but you got to be in it to win it and I could change my mind by next week.



    loki1331User is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:33 loki1331
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    29 Jan 2008 09:49 PM
    This is not the right forum for a political discussion, but of all the candidates running, the only two with a proven track record on the environment are John Edwards, and Ron Paul. Now neither one of these guys has a chance of winning the nomination of thier party, but listen to them and check thier records and you'll agree. As for the Republicans, they see environmental issues as a waste of time and money because it won't make them richer. The Democrats are much more concerned about the issue, but they have no spine to fight the Republicans. We really need a grassroots third party movement in this country to throw all the bums out and start fresh, Fat chance of that happening when most Americans have become "We The Sheeple". Just my opinion, don't shoot the messenger.
    Gone Fishin', Take A Number !!!! Life Member Since 06/28/07 My Fishing Forum http://northeast-fishing-forum.forumsland.com/
    clayreisUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:1 clayreis
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    31 Jan 2008 04:35 PM
    I cannot agree more with DanO!

    This is not the place for a political discussion.
    tlangUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:2 tlang
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    01 Feb 2008 01:02 PM
    While I would agree that this is not the best forum to discuss politics; all outdoorsmen (Fishing, Hunting, Trapping, Etc.) need to get their heads out of the sand and really pay attention to what is going on.  Every candidate who says they aren't going to take away your hunting rights is blowing smoke.  They will abuse the second ammendment in a heartbeat and are only interested in collecting your fees and taxes on licenses and equipment.  The issues facing those who enjoy fishing are easier to ignore.  Clean water, access, etc. are real issues.  The downturn in active participants are too.  While the President has less of an impact on fishing and hunting law, since the states control most of those, he can still have an influence.  Unfortunately I don't see any of the "front runners" as friends.  Historically, 30+ years ago, the Dems seemed advocates.  That has changed as the party has gone so far to the left.  Most look at the issues as having one fix...more government.  The government hasn't fixed one thing, and has created most of the problems that need fixed.
    FzanglerUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:3 Fzangler
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    02 Feb 2008 07:51 AM
    I just want to share with you a little about McCain.  I am a native from AZ.  McCain does not remain loyal to the concervative republican values so to expect him to keep his word on anything else whould in my opinion be foolish.  Please dont take my word for it check his voting record for yourself.  In my opinion the republican party should kick him out.  Im am voting for Mike Huckabee.
    fzangler
    CATFISHMANUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:3 CATFISHMAN
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    03 Feb 2008 12:29 AM
    HEY ALL YOU CLUB BRO. AND SISTERS IF YOU CARE ABOUT ARE SPORT AND GREATOUTDOORS YOU BETTER BE VOTEN DEMY WE NEED A GOOD PRES. TO CLEAN UP THE GARBAGE THE PRES. HAS GOT US IN AND I THINK HE IS REP.SO GO FIG. THERE JUST OUT THERE FINDING NEW OIL WELLS TO DRIL THINK ABOUT IT IS THAT REALLY GOOD FOR ARE EVIRAMENT WHAT A WAST OF MONEY AND TIME,WE REALLY NEED A CHANGE BEFORE ARE GREAT WORLD CRACKS. YOUR CAREING FRIEND DOUG
    FzanglerUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:3 Fzangler
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    03 Feb 2008 07:22 AM
    Leave it to a Democrat to not be able to spell and use proper etiquette.  If you base your choice of President on your ability to fish you have some messed up priorities.  While it is a consideration, it is not even in the top 20 of issues that should matter in choosing a President.
    Fishbrain Fishbrain
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    03 Feb 2008 03:01 PM
    Greetings,
    I've read many of the posted opinions about the '08 election and there's much to agree with. But while a fishing website is not your typical place for political discussion, it is welcomed in my opinion  since an informed citizen  is an empowered citizen. Plus if you spend most of your waking hours reading and dreaming about fishing on this website, now's the time to think about how to protect the object of your passion. 

    I am a life-long fisherman. I've lived and fished in many states and met many diverse fishermen in New Jersey, New York, Minnesota, Colorado, Montana, Wyoming, the Carolinas, and Florida. While the fishermen that I have met all these years have had huge differences in their personal backgrounds, their politics, their religious beliefs, and what they valued in their own lives, they all passionately shared the desire to fish and keep on fishing as their parents and grand parents did before them.  So which candidate and which political party gives us the best chance to keep on fishing as we all want to?   I think that depends more on the party and less on the candidate. Ultimately it will be determined by who best keeps our air, water, and forests clean and doesn't deny us the right to fish.   PRESIDENTS WORK WITH BROAD BRUSHSTROKES.  THE MOST A PRESIDENT CAN DO FOR US AS FISHERMAN IS ENSURE THAT FISH HABITAT WILL NOT BE  DEGRADED.  THIS HE DOES THROUGH GOOD LEGISLATION, THE EPA , THE US FOREST SERVICE, AND THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT.  CLEAN AIR AND WATER AND GOOD ENVIRONMENT STEWARDSHIP ARE THE MAGIC BUZZWARDS.  As far as fishing rights, don't worry, No President or political party will ever touch the third rail and side with PETA and deny the many millions of subsistence, recreational, and sport fisherman the right to eat, catch, and compete in tournaments. Fishing is a huge money maker in our economy. Anyone who tells you otherwise is using scare tactics and trying to manipulate you. Fisherman don't use dangerous weapons, so the battles that the NRA fights will ultimately never happen to fishing like they do with hunting. Don't get suckered by that bull.
    Questions and my Opinions
    1)Question:Which political party has more consistently promoted clean air and water regulations (THAT WOULD MOST EFFECT FISH HABITAT), protected national forests by restricting or banning clear cutting, limited destructive road building in those forests, fought to prevent strip mining caused damage to mountain streams, sought to impose strict standards for mercury and lead emitting coal fired power plants and heavy industry  Opinion: Democrats by far, ...but two Republican administrations stand out as great stewards of the land- those of Teddy Roosevelt and Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon.

    2) Question:  Which past presidents have been bad/good for the environment by the way they ran the EPA, US Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management? 
    Opinion: BAD - Ronald Reagan, George Herbert Bush, & G.W.Bush Reagan's Secretary of  Interior(James Watt) and both Bush's never saw a national forest or wilderness they cared to protect from mineral exploration(oil,gas,copper,strip mining,etc) and clear cutting.
    GOOD - Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt, "Tricky Dick" Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton
    Teddy started National Parks. Franklin Roosevelt's Civilian Conservation Core laid a huge number of walkable trails, bridges and drivable roads through National Parks and government lands while employing a huge # of of jobless workers during the Great Depression. "Tricky Dick" Nixon established the Environmental Protection Agency and gave us the Clean Water Act, and the Endangered Species Act. Wow, that's huge!!! Carter added 103 million acres of new National Parkland in Alaska. The online Environmental News Service reports that Clinton's administration is likely to be remembered as one of most supportive of the environment in the nation's history. He vetoed many anti-environmental bills, he retained the ban on offshore oil drilling in California; increased funding for solar and renewable energy; and supported protective forest and watershed regulations.  The Bushes let the floodgates of industrial greed rip through decades of efforts by both Donkeys and Elephants. Teddy and Tricky Dick are probably rolling in their graves over what Reagan & the Bushes have done. REMENBER THAT JUST BECAUSE THE BUSHES LOVE TO FISH FOR STRIPED BASS IN MAINE AND FOR LARGEMOUTH BASS ON GW'S CRAWFORD, TEXAS RANCH PONDS DOESN'T  ERASE THEIR MISLEADING TRACK RECORD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THAT GOOD FISH HABITAT DEPENDS ON.   GWB AND CHENEY HAVE BEEN FAR, FAR WORSE THAN PAPA BUSH. THEY CARE MORE ABOUT CORPORATE PROFITS AND THOSE BIG POLLUTERS WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR CAMPAIGNS,  AND EXPECTED PAYBACK, THAN ORDINARY PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME AND THE FEW FISH THEY OCCASIONALLY CATCH.   BUT DON'T TRUST MY WORD.  VERIFY WITH  GOOGLE!!!!!!  I think you'll find that more progressive environmental legislation that keeps our air and water clean and thereby gives fish a fighting chance will be passed into law under a Democratic President than a Republican one.   I gotta give credit to Teddy and "Tricky Dick" though.  But todays green elephants are either non existent or have chosen not to run for office. Barack Obama appears extremely wise and level headed and though I doubt that he fishes, I am confident that he would think it silly and unnacceptable, even unthinkable to  legislate against a beloved American past time.

    Sincerly,
    Fishbrain
    PS: Attached below is a photo of a 32 inch snook I caught on 10lb Power Pro line, the day after Christmas...proof that fish are on my mind.

    CATFISHMANUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:3 CATFISHMAN
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    03 Feb 2008 11:40 PM
    I GUESS YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE SMART ASS REP.
    FzanglerUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:3 Fzangler
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    04 Feb 2008 04:01 PM
    Nice Snook!
    fzangler
    Fishbrain Fishbrain
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    05 Feb 2008 09:50 PM
    Catfishman,
    You missed the entire point of my essay. I have never voted for a Republican politician in a national or local election. I would be happy to, if they would only see the world the way I do.  I said in my opinion that the best that we can hope for as fisherman, is that fish habitat is not further degraded.  I also said that the Democratic party has promoted more legislation over the years, than the Republicans on cleaning up the environment.  You can translate that, historically, the Democrats do a better job with the environment than the Republicans. While both political parties are assaulted by corporations who spend millions of dollars to pursuade politicians to loosen environmental standards for air, water, forest management, and mineral exploration, it is the Democrats who consistently do the better job in protecting the environment. But no one can deny the historical fact that two Republicans, Teddy Roosevelt and Richard Nixon did a fantastic job when they were presidents. Their environmental records are virtually in the history books. Tricky Dick Nixon was a national disgrace in many other respects. But on the environment, he was a saint. Read my statements carefully. No Republican since Reagan has done a decent job in this regard. GW Bush's record is the absolute worst and will probably remain the worst in history.

    Sincerely,
    Fishbrain.

    PS: regarding the attached snook picture, that speedster swam under my flats boat and stayed hidden for 5 rod bending minutes. I thought that my rod and my wrist were going to explode. Revived, it swam away unscathed and three casts later the lower portion of my rod snapped. But I didn't care one bit.

    steve gilbertUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:1 steve gilbert
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    07 Feb 2008 02:08 PM
    I think this is the perfect place to mention our responsibility to try and pick the best candidate who will protect our rights as fishermen. This is not dominating the whole site. We need to get our heads out of our bass and take a little personal action and not just worry about what is the next hot worm color.
    hoghead096User is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:1 hoghead096
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    10 Feb 2008 10:41 AM

    Well, I feel this might be the place for a political discussion if it will affect the sport we all love. Now which candidate will be the best for us, maybe only time will tell. Out here in California we have alot of Lakes and Rivers to fish which the polititions want to keep clean and polution free, Now how do they do that, one way is to restrict access to these areas, hmmmm doesn't do me much good other than it will be pristine for my kids but they will have to look at it in pictures because we are not allowed on the land to mess it up. We also have lawmakers out here who feel that the equipment I use needs to be replaced because it has LEAD in it. I agree somthing needs to be done and our elected officials and non-outdoors people are the ones making the decisions for us. If we dont get involved in the process then i guess we can just let others make decisions for us, that is not the way our fore-fathers got the rights we have. In your state and for the country make the educated choice and if you see anything that is helpful to others pass it on so maybe we all can make the correct choice.  

    walleyeguy77User is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:347 walleyeguy77
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    26 Mar 2008 11:00 PM
    Politcs has no place in our world yall, a republican tells me he will fight for my gun rights, yet a democrat keeps me working to suport all what i do? If im not working, How in the hell am i suposed to keep my gun rights?????? How can i aford to fish??? You all can call this X republican a idiot, but im now a democrat, untill they do what bush did to my country, this president goes down as the worst in history! And my NRA backed this idiot, well, the nra can kiss my arnss!!!!!!!
    kvjgriff kvjgriff
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    29 Mar 2008 12:23 PM
    I have to agree with Walleyeguy. Just as much as anyone else I appreciate the need for clean air and water as well as access to property to enjoy the resources. We need a president that can turn around this great country before it is too late. Crystal clear lakes and rivers are great but with gas at record prices and everything else inflating as well we have other problems. How many people can barely afford some ground beef to feed their families and can only afford to drive to work and home? Without any improvement to the economy our boats will sit in the garage because we cant afford the gas and insurance or anything else associated with our favorite pastime.
    stealthfisherUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:884 stealthfisher
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    31 Mar 2008 01:52 AM

     Even though the next president may have the ability to control  the enviroment, clean air,  water. etc,  I may be wrong but I was under the impression most of these decisions where handled by the states. Watching  the Politicians closer to home might be more important than those on a national level. One would think these would be easier to influence for the good of the sport.   I just thought I would point out that this "discussion" was initiated by the NAFC editors.   Way to go Editors!!   I was always told be careful discussing Politics and Religion. Two topics that will surely create heated debate and generate anomosity amongst friends.

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