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PegsguyUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:4103 Pegsguy
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14 Apr 2010 10:38 PM
    Got out on the local pond today with my son and an elderly gent caught a northern of about 25" and 2 1/2#. I had a Rapala Floating Minnow rigged  and immediatly worked the area with it. He then told me that this was a "bad" lure for pike!
    Lifer in NE Illinois
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    the rod tosserUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1489 the rod tosser
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    15 Apr 2010 08:24 AM
      Being that he was a elderly person  he may
    never of used such a lure  for pike.  Inline spinners , spoons  and  live bait  where  the norm .

     Did you ask him what pike eat ?
    So what dose this look like  in the water?  

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    mr billUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1903 mr bill
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    15 Apr 2010 06:32 PM
    rod tosser is right about older gentlemen, my dad and his brothers believed in spoons, spinners and jigs when they went to canada fishing for pike and walleyes. but when my brother and i started going with them and we used rapala's, we started getting more and bigger fish. thats when they started using them.
    PegsguyUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:4103 Pegsguy
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    15 Apr 2010 08:25 PM
    There is a difference between being old and old fashioned! My great uncle died in 1965 at the age of 71. He fished once a year, 2week trip to Canada for Muskie and pike. I inherited his tackle box full of-you guessed it - what at the time were called plugs, hardly a spoon or bucktail in sight! Tom
    Lifer in NE Illinois
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    turnipUser is Offline Senior Poster Senior Poster Send Private Message Posts:5641 turnip
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    16 Apr 2010 02:19 PM

    And yet I know of folks today (not very old) that only use jigs, spinnerbaits and live bait in Canada for pike...I catch more pike on Rebel spoonbill minnows than almost any other lure, except for the jig that is!

     


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    fishforallofemUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:31 fishforallofem
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    18 Apr 2010 04:53 PM
    My fav for pike is rapalas x-rap series .In many different colors
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    WalleyeWayneUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:703 WalleyeWayne
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    20 Apr 2010 06:00 AM
    turnip wrote:

    And yet I know of folks today (not very old) that only use jigs, spinnerbaits and live bait in Canada for pike...I catch more pike on Rebel spoonbill minnows than almost any other lure, except for the jig that is!

     


    LM since 2005 Bushwacker Deputy Sherif from S.E. Pa.
    Pete...I would have to say I fall into that catagory...especially since I'm not very old
    davesett2000User is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:2212 davesett2000
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    25 Apr 2010 05:26 PM

    It's my HUMBLE opinion that spoons are an over-looked aspect for pike. MOST of the time....you can't just cast them out and reel them in like the old days. The SAME can be said for spinners like Mepps and such.

     

    Pete posted a good article about spoon use a while back....and I FIRMLY believe that varying retieve speeds....and even more so in summer water temps....letting them sink for about 5 seconds to get down deeper. Big pike have a disdain for warm water above 60* or so.

     

    So you have to fish the deeper areas...and get your lure down there...and Pete's experiences with the spoonbill Rebels bears that out 

     

    THere's also heavier / "thicker" spoons like the Luhr Jensen Krocodile and Eppinger Cop-E-Cat that can get down there in a hurry.

     

    One LAST thought....and it has to do with reels. I've noticed that reel speeds (line retrieve / gear ratio) have gone up drastically since the 1950's. I HAVE to wonder that it has affected pike fishing....as I think that the s-l-o-w wobble of a spoon drives a pike crazy. I WILL agree that SOMETIMES fast is better....but not always.

     

    And a LOT of folks just can't "reel slow enough" with today's higher-speed reels to drive them toothy critters crazy.


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    mr billUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1903 mr bill
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    25 Apr 2010 06:26 PM
    that does make since dave. thats is probably why the stealhead rod works great when using jerk baits fer pike. i can move the rod along ways and the lure only a short distance with alot of wiggle.
    PegsguyUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:4103 Pegsguy
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    25 Apr 2010 10:18 PM
    Dave, I'm with you on the spoons. I'm sure that lure speed has a lot to do with the effectiveness of spoons for pike. Casting spoons usually don't troll well and I'm sure the opposite is true. Some of the newer baitcasters are fast enough to pull a spoon too fast to work. Tom
    Lifer in NE Illinois
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    fishforallofemUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:31 fishforallofem
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    27 Apr 2010 09:42 PM
    varying the retrieve is a great tip for spoons,but it is also imperitive to vary your retrieve with all baits until a pattern is found. Good luck out there guys.
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    01 May 2010 02:37 PM
    I live in Canada and have a lot of lakes with a lot of pike near me and I have very little faith in rapalas.  I find that jigs and hollow bellied swim baits will outfish most hard baits I throw, but spoons are a good choice too. 
    davesett2000User is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:2212 davesett2000
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    02 May 2010 06:03 PM

    @mrbill....Thanks for that TIP Bill...as I picked up about 5 SUPPOSEDLY steelhead rods (around 8' 6") on deep discount while I was out in Cali...and I had THOUGHTS of pike and other fishies...but hadn't researched the idea. I would THINK that mono or fluorocarbon would be even better for that particular presentation 

     

    @fishforallofem....SEVERAL of us on here have discussed the importance of VARYING retrieve speeds on lures over the last several years...and IMHO your comment just solidifies our collective thoughts

     

    @esoxhunter...is that because you haven't had much luck with the Rap's....or because the TOOTHY critters wear them out too fast?

     

    @Pegsguy...the actual trolling speed is THE key for ALL types of the spoons...and for that matter...you CAN cast the thinner spoons with the right combination of rod / line.


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    turnipUser is Offline Senior Poster Senior Poster Send Private Message Posts:5641 turnip
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    02 May 2010 07:47 PM

    Tom, I have discovered from my good friend Erabbit, if it casts it will troll!  Dave speaks of trolling speed being the key and I have to agree with him.  Like with any other species, when trolling, finding the right "crusing" speed is very important.  Once you have established that then it is a matter of zig zaging in and out of the break line you are fishing (increase speed for spoon on the out side of a turn and decrease speed for the inside spoon).  Quite often you will get "hit" on one of those manuvers!  But it is also important to know the water temp at various depths.  The use of a downrigger with a temp sensor is important in MHO.  Flutter spoons that are normally used for trolling can be used effectively when cast.  When retrieving be sure to pause, allowing the spoon to float back into the pikes face!  This item with flutter spoons was either in "Infisherman" or the club mag a few years ago...

     

    Spoons are a very versitile bait.  I know that LMB love a fast retrieve & slash with an 1 oz. Eppinger spoon.  Pike love them on a steady, slow roll...of course a stall or slash will go a long way to success!  I never throw away an old or beat-up spoon.  I just strip the old finish and hardware and paint / tape in a pattern that resembles the forage...

     


    LM since 2005 Bushwacker Deputy Sherif from S.E. Pa.
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    PegsguyUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:4103 Pegsguy
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    02 May 2010 10:29 PM
    When I am trolling spoons, it is almost always as part of a mixed spread for salmon. Casting spoons do not produce at the speeds we run at. We are also not working a weed line or similar it is all bottom structure and temp breaks. There's usually not a bass or pike within a couple of miles! Tom
    Lifer in NE Illinois
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    GreyhairedpikerUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:1 Greyhairedpiker
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    08 May 2010 06:51 PM

    I agree with Dave on the gear ratio on the new reels, while casting; spoons, spinner baits & inline spinners in the spring cool water. I always carry one pole with a spinning reel that is only 4 to 1 it has made a difference.

    maxspider72User is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:90 maxspider72
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    16 Jun 2010 11:10 AM
    As far as using Rapalas and other crankbaits for pike, does any have a favorite or could anyone recommend a good one for pike? I've caught them on spoons and spinnerbaits, but never on cranks.
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    wellsleyUser is Offline Senior Poster Senior Poster Send Private Message Posts:6048 wellsley
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    16 Jun 2010 07:07 PM
    Max I like something with a rattle not only do you get action and vibration from the lure but noise to boot.
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    slipperybobUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1240 slipperybob
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    16 Jun 2010 10:26 PM
    Jointed Rapala's are great for pikes as well as Super Shad Raps.  I will also recommend trying the big Ratt'l Traps or any large lipless cranks.  Be forewarn that some fish tend to really swallow some baits.
    mr billUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:1903 mr bill
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    17 Jun 2010 04:38 AM
    time of yr. also plays into what crank and size........ of coarse i'm talking about fishing a deep cold water lake that has smelt, trout and so on

    early spring-- i like the husky jerks that are about 5" long-- anything with silver sides, but sometimes they can be a bit picky between the color of the back, such as a black back or a blue one.

    when the pike are done spawning and are sitting just outside the spawning bay and are starting to chase baits along the edge of the weeds that are just starting to green-up-- then the shad raps start coming into play-- i've had my best luck with the 1 that is about 4" long with a silver body, black back and with the red spot under the lip area/what would be the gill area on a fish. i have had some luck with the bluegill colored shad rap also at this time.

    as summer rolls on in, i have found its more the size of bait not color-- size 8 or 10 rapalas'-- trolled works best, on the outside edge of a break working out into deep water/ go back and forth over the break using the "s" pattern trolling motion. you just have to find what they want. this also is the time of yr. that i catch alot of pike in 70 to 100 F O W, 28 to 35 foot down when i'm trolling spoons for trout.

    during the fall time-- jerk baits work the best for me and think big. biggest pike i ever landed was on a silver body with black back mag/rapala. i found deep edges coming up sharply to a shallow flat works great and as the water starts to cool down more, on top of these same flats until the lake turns over-- then the pike can be any where.

    during the winter i have been doing good with jigging spoons around weed beds. so far my best winter spoon has been the little cleo in the 1/4oz or smaller size-- same days i have to tip the spoon with a minnow or at least a part of the minnow and the tail works better than the head-- at least for me.
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