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| 19 Nov 2007 05:37 PM |
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Originally posted by: Chris Stack on 2/11/2007 8:45:06 AM We're all entitled to our opinions and I respect that. Just thought I'd offer mine on the topic of keeping big walleyes... I mainly fish the eastern basin of Lake Erie when the walleyes have migrated from the shallower western end to the deeper, cooler waters of the eastern end. The majority of these fish are 6 pounds or larger, with "over 10's" very common. I keep many of the biggest walleyes I catch and feel no guilt at all! Aside from being my legal right, I firmly believe that most of these fish are well past their prime and of little use as far as propagation of the species goes. Very few of their eggs are fertile. Every fisheries biologist I've talked with seems to agree on this subject. As for having one mounted.. I've caught several 12's and 13's, and one over 14 and have yet to put one on the wall. If I did.. it would be a replica mount.. they're too good to eat! Let's hear some other opinions! Good Fishing, Sluggo (Chris) |
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NebraskaWalleye
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| 17 Mar 2009 09:47 AM |
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I agree with the part that many of their eggs are not fertile but the fact remains this is a big fish that has the genes to get there chris, also the amount of unfertile eggs they have does not effect them enough that they dont produce as many fish as the smaller ones anyways they produce more hatch, why would you want to remove that gene from the pool rather then removing some of the smaller ones, that have not showed proof of the big fish gene if more fisherman would continue to release the bigger fish we would start seeing the fish's growth rate spike and overall average poundage go up by far I have had 1 mount made and that was not even a replica of the exact fish I had caught it was a mix between the coloration of a 4 lber i had caught and the girth weight proportion of the 8lber was a huge fish but not a very pretty eye she was all beat up from the spawn. If I would of caught her in the middle of winter she would of been gorgeous and summer she would of been really dark but I love the Silver look walleyes give in the middle of winter around here. But I do not agree with keeping the bigger fish cause you are removing the big fish gene, there are far more of the 4-6lb fish in your area instead of the 10lb +. If they would change the law to not be able to keep a fish over 28'' and only one in between 24 and 28'' the fishery would be helped severly. plus what ever your daily bag limit is if your in ny I think it is 5 or 6 daily dont remember its been like 5-6 years since I was up that way with my father. Its easier to Judge then be Judged, Its better to be Judged and Learn from it. Holdrege, Nebraska |
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Pegsguy
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| 17 Mar 2009 04:50 PM |
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Hey Nebraska! I have to agree with you on releasing the larger fish. Here in NE Ill the prime walleye water is the Fox Chain, and there is a slot limit in place. You are allowed 3 walleye none of which can be smaller than 14", no fish can be kept between 18" and 24", and you may keep 1 fish overe 24" as part of your 3. I am a firm believer in catch and release: Any 15-17" walleye should be immediatly cleaned and released into hot Crisco after being suitably coated in crumbs or batter. Let the big 'uns go to make babies. Too bad we don't live closer, I think I could fish for a week with you without a cross word. Tom |
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walleyeguy77
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| 17 Mar 2009 10:09 PM |
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I so much love NEBRASKAWALLEYE & PEGSGUY,s.input??? What they said realy means so much for many years of us haveing these species to survive? I hope all will see this, and understand that those giant fish we cach should be relealesed, (lets eat what tastes best) Fishing and hunting needs smart FISHers& HUNTERS to understand that when you take young, or old from them, we wont have them any more. Lets all be smart and respect our maker's way, jim |
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b.bennett66
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| 19 Mar 2009 06:57 AM |
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i also agree with the previous posters. we need big fish to spread their genes.although if i thought i had a contender for the state record i would keep the fish. i also like the idea of slot limits and have seen them work and would like to see more introduced around my area. this my just be me but i think the smaller ones taste better. |
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fish-a-holic
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| 19 Mar 2009 12:53 PM |
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Just remember that BIG Fish depends where you are fishing. If the average is 10 Lbs then its only big to those of us that regularly hook into 13 inch fish. I put back 80% of what I catch, since I fish everyday and you can only possess 2 days limit. Jim
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Pegsguy
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| 19 Mar 2009 01:38 PM |
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Anyone who routinely practices catch and release should never feel guilty about keeping a legitemate trophy, especially a record fish. I fish a local pond that is 1 1/2 blocks from the house. when I first started fishing there, 24" bass were common. The lake has since been fished out of all the large fish and the remaining fish are stunted. The Park Dist. stocked some Northern to thin the herd, I hope they don't get fished out also. The one I caught last fall was 25" (a keeper in Il) and had some girth to it. I released it. Tom |
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walleye hunter
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| 20 Mar 2009 02:45 PM |
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A good topic and all good points made. The topic made me do some research. I had the privilege to sit in on a ODNR seminar (Ohio Division of Natural Recourses) were the gentleman discussed growth and aging of walleye. This was confusing to me at first. They know use an ear bone to age the fish (otoliths). The growth rings are like a tree one ring per year. Ohio State has know aged a male walleye at 24 years old and 21 inches long as male do not grow as big as females do. The larger fish were females 32 inch rang and 15 years old the fish that were older were smaller but not by much around 29 inches. They say the fast growing fish die sooner. So in my opinion releasing larger fish would be good 15 year old fish still are fertile I think. But I am guilty of keeping larger fish and I do think smaller fish 18 to 22 inches taste better. Chris they do seem to grow them big around here and they get heavy in the fall. The average size is about 24 to 26 inches in the central basin 5 to 7 pounds depending on the time of the year. Fish-a-holic has a good point it is relative to the average in your area. Nebraskawalleye has a good point there are more of the smaller ones than the giants especially after the 2003 hatch averaging 20 to 22 inches. Good eating fish! In Ohio the bag limit is 4 from March 1 to April 30 and then it is 6 the rest of the time with a min of 15 inches long. Thank you for the post. |
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Pegsguy
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| 20 Mar 2009 05:17 PM |
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Limits are not one size fits all. A 6 fish limit on Erie might be fine, but would be devestating on the Fox Chain northwest of Chicago. I fish the Chain and choose to only harvest 14-18" fish for the table, I release the over 24's to breed even though I can keep 1 per day by law. I'm not sure about the regs on Lk. Michigan, as the Il. DNR denies that Lk. Mich can support a viable Walleye population. They seem to be at a loss to explain the 7.5# Walleye caught last fall on the lakefront from a City of Chicago park(Northerly Is. formerly Meigs' Field). No one put it there, and the lake ecosystem can't support 'eyes.WTF? Tom |
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| Lifer in NE Illinois Gen. 1:28 I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to become a vegitarian! |
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walleye hunter
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| 21 Mar 2009 08:15 AM |
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Pegsguy, Your point is well taken. It is not one size fits all. We are not allowed to keep 14” fish for example to small. It is different from place to place like fish-a-holic explained. If I targeted 14” to 18” fish I would come in empty sometimes witch happens sometimes any way. Last fall I pulled in a nice catch off of South Bass Island Put-in-bay fishing from shore and not one was less than 18” and the big one was a fish Ohio at 30 ½” 10 pounds nice fat fish. So I am guilty of keeping some big ones but I do let most of the 28”+ go if they aren’t harmed. It seems live bait rigs hurt them more often. Here is the catch. Tony |
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Pegsguy
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| 21 Mar 2009 12:22 PM |
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Tony: Nice fish. Lake Erie? I wish we had walleye that size in abundance here, but our fish seem to be slimmer. It's probably due to the environment, the Fox river and chain is heavily fished due to being an hour from Chicago proper, and also sees heavy recreational traffic all summer long, esp. the weekends. You literally take your life in your hands going out to fish on the weekends in summer. I know some guys that fish on the weekends, but they get out early and are off the lakes by 11 AM. I try to fish during the week, preferably Wed and thurs as the lakes have settled down from the weekend and the boat traffic is manageable. Good luck this coming season. Tom |
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| Lifer in NE Illinois Gen. 1:28 I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to become a vegitarian! |
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St.Croix Man
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| 22 Mar 2009 04:22 PM |
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I agree with everyone who said to release the big ones. The smaller ones do taste better too in my opinion. Last summer I caught a 25 incher---he was probably 6 to 7 pounds--nice fish. I threw him back. I know a guy that works for the Wisconsin DNR who went shocking for 'eyes in order to see how many there were in this certain lake and to age them. I believe he said the the 15 to 18 inchers were anywhere from 7-10 years old. It takes them that long to get that big. I don't know where I'm going with this but just some info i guess. I guess unless i was going to mount one, i would throw the big back in my opinion. |
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| 23 Mar 2009 07:34 AM |
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All I fish for eyes with is straight artificials so I never really get one deep hooked unless im fishing with 1/8th oz or less some times, I throw Twisters 3/4's of the time I am on the water and the other time I am throwing big spoons and size 7-9 panther martins, I have never caught a eye off of leeches,minnows, crawlers or any other sort of live bait you would use for eyes, I would guess that prolly 2% of the fish I release dont make it and that is just because their swim bladder comes up into their mouths when that happens I do keep the fish try to anyways if I do not already have my limit on the 20th this month was the last time I went out I had caught over 40 eyes I did not keep any of them just cause I was nailing them the smallest was prolly 13 1/2'' and the biggest was close to 20'' but the water level is down about 10' if it would of been 5' higher when you hook them from the bottom which is 30' or so when they come up their swim bladders come in their mouths I take a 30 gauge hemostat needle in my box so I can puncture this so they can actually go back down and most the time they do live, My only point in fishing the way I do which is always C&R any fish over 22'' unless its really thin and looks like it needs to be weeded out of the gene pool that way when my kids get of age to understand fishing the way I do now they have a fishery to fish, and even my grandkids, a 22'' fish if it has the right girth around here looks like a football when you first bring them up they actually look like a cat they are so fat, there was a 25'' fish caught last year that weighed 8lbs 13oz its girth was almost as long as the fish itself. Its easier to Judge then be Judged, Its better to be Judged and Learn from it. Holdrege, Nebraska |
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walleye hunter
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| 23 Mar 2009 05:11 PM |
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St. Croix Man, Love the name those are my favorite rods. I think that it depends on their diet environment and sex ODNR says the females 15” are 2 to 3 years old males are older. Just an opinion I formed from talking with ODNR and others. Nebraskawalleye, That’s a good fish. Over here we use a lot of crawler harnesses along with spoons and hard baits. Not much on jigs and minnows except over reefs or ice fishing. We catch them at about 40’ to 50’ but there bladders mostly stay down but not always. You can puncture the bladder and they will live I did not know that. Thanks for that info. |
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NebraskaWalleye
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| 24 Mar 2009 08:44 AM |
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The bladder itself will heal as long as you do not tear it, that is why I use a hemostat bought it at orchlens think it was 2 bucks per needle or 8 bucks for a pack of 5, as long as you do not use a knife or a hook or anything that is spearlike the bladder will heal there are some people I know of that puncture the bladder from right behind the gill plate through the flesh and all but that worries me about internal bleeding and the swim bladder itself filling with blood, some people share this oppinion some people dont but you can pierce it in the mouth and it wont bleed as long as you dont double puncture. Its easier to Judge then be Judged, Its better to be Judged and Learn from it. Holdrege, Nebraska |
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Sluggo / NY
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| 25 Mar 2009 04:50 AM |
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I suppose since I started this, I should clarify my stance on keeping big walleyes so I don't sound totally unethical. As for Lake Erie... there's an abundance of big fish in those waters. It's probably a combination of genetics and forage base, but five or six pounders are small fish on the eastern basin during the summer migration. This said.. I have no problem with keeping "big" fish out there. On the other hand.. I fall and winter fish a local river here in upstate NY where a five pounder is huge! It's a rather fragile fishery in that the spawn is very dependant on weather. Quite often, the spawn is wiped out by spring flooding as the muddy waters cover the eggs and prevent them from hatching. I rarely keep a fish over 17 or 18 inches from there, and release all the females.. except the 13#er I got last year. Anyway.. just wanted to let you know I'm not as bad of guy as I initially sounded! Good Fishing, Sluggo (Chris) |
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b.bennett66
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| 25 Mar 2009 06:23 AM |
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there was a study done in Alberta Canada on the subject of fizzing walleyes and they found that fizzing did not increase survival rate of deep caught walleyes and in some cases actually lowered it this study also showed that deep caught walleye have other problems besides an over inflated swim bladder. http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/228130.pdf the link is not the study done in Canada but dose have reference to it page 8 of this pdf will give the info. |
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Pegsguy
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| 25 Mar 2009 08:36 PM |
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Sluggo: Don't get the wrong idea from my posts! Every lake or river is different. What is good for Lk. Erie would devastate the local walleye fishery in the Il Fox Chain. On the Fox Chain we are limited to 3 walleye and have a slot limit. We cannot keep any fish under 14" any fish between 18'and 24" and if you keep a 24+ it counts againt your 3 fish limit. I don't know anyone who keeps fish over 18", although if I caught a possible record, i'd have to think about it! Tom Fishin' fool in NE Illinois |
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walleyeguy77
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| 25 Mar 2009 10:44 PM |
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What the heck should we do!!!!!!! My grandparents told me to release over 22in ??? Yet chris makes alot of since in lake erie????? Do the walleyes here multiply down the rivers and lakes to maybee have a harvest area of another great habitat for their new spawn??? Would the infant spawn know how to do this??? I wonder, if the young could survive without its parents knowledge, to survive????? |
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Pegsguy
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| 26 Mar 2009 05:16 PM |
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To the best of my knowledge, adult fish do not teach their young. They spawn and may guard the nest but once the eggs hatch, the fry are on their own to live or die. Survival of the fittest at the most basic level. Tom Fishin' fool in NE Illinois |
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| Lifer in NE Illinois Gen. 1:28 I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to become a vegitarian! |
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