Originally posted by: wellsley on 10/20/2007 6:24:13 PM

TTT

Originally posted by: DEEPERTHANU on 10/22/2007 1:46:28 PM

I WOULD RECOMMEND GOING OUT ON A CHARTER OR WITH A GUIDE TO EXPERIENCE SOME OF THE TROLLING TECHNIQUES MENTIONED, BEFORE YOU TRY THEM ON YOUR OWN BOAT. I FISH SALMON IN LAKE MICHIGAN AND I NORMALLY RUN TWO DOWNRIGGERS OFF OF THE BACK OF THE BOAT WITH A DIPSY AND A PLANER BOARD OFF OF EACH SIDE. I HAD NO IDEA HOW THIS ALL WORKED UNTIL WE TOOK A CHARTER OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. IN ONE TRIP OUT WITH A GUIDE I KNEW ALL THE BASICS (AND ALSO A FEW GOOD SPOTS)

Originally posted by: erabbit456 on 10/24/2007 6:54:56 AM

DEEPERTHANU what about the people that can't afford to do what you did ??? That's what this thread is all about don't you have some info to share that you learned while on a charter ?
One thing I will say that I did when I was learn and still am learning is ONE THING AT A TIME. Work on your down rigger program get it working and feel good about how you set it up and what changes you make as the day goes on. Then move on to the next say divers same deal get the working , then you can use those two togather. Picture your spread in 3-D think what it looks like under water and what its doing have a plan and give it a go. When you bring in a tangled up mess (I have and still do every now and then) think it thru what caused it.
When Pete and WK#1 came up and fished with me for the first time I had out a 6 rod spread - 3 riggers- 1 diver - 1 inline board and 1, three Color lead core. What I didn't do was explain what to do ,(moving rods) as to which one got a fish on or where we would land the fish. The worst rod fired with a very large landlock salmon we lost it at the back of the boat because I didn't have a plan laid out...... <!--graemlin::eek:-->

Originally posted by: turnip on 10/24/2007 9:38:00 AM

Right Ed! I have been focusing on my inline trolling techniques, at the same time I learn about downriggers from you, Howard and an occasional charter. It takes time and a lot of thought. Not only the particular spread that you will use but the type of equipment and how it will be laid-out on your boat...Those things you will NOT learn from a charter. It is thru forums like this and getting out to learn from others that you can do some great learning. By the way, once you decide on the type trolling technique, which is determined by species and location, you'll soon discover your own "hot spots"! And that info you can take almost anywhere!

Originally posted by: wellsley on 10/26/2007 4:32:17 PM

I never tried trolling before the finger lakes meet. Now I'm ordering more fishing tackle. And I thought I had enough. <!--graemlin::D-->

Originally posted by: davesett2000 on 10/26/2007 4:42:05 PM

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Originally posted by wellsley:
I never tried trolling before the finger lakes meet. Now I'm ordering more fishing tackle. And I thought I had enough. <!--graemlin::D-->

Originally posted by: wellsley on 10/26/2007 6:36:53 PM

My wife would say I'm beyond it. <!--graemlin::p-->

Originally posted by: turnip on 10/26/2007 7:34:00 PM

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Originally posted by: wellsley on 10/28/2007 4:38:49 AM

Question: What do you use between the flasher and the lure? Example 24" of 15lb fluoro carbon. Is this a personal preferance or is there a guide on what to use?

Originally posted by: erabbit456 on 10/28/2007 4:54:10 AM

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Question: What do you use between the flasher and the lure?

Originally posted by: wellsley on 10/28/2007 5:06:43 AM

Thanks ED
So you tie the flasher to the line, not snap it on with a snap swivel.

Originally posted by: erabbit456 on 10/28/2007 7:01:34 AM

Frank you saw all my trolling rigs ...........they ALL had a top of the line $$$$$ ballbearing snap swivel on them if you don't use a GOOD one with rotating flasher you will get a ton of line twist to the point that they may break off and your'll loose your flasher/fly rig costing you a lot of $$$$.

Originally posted by: turnip on 10/28/2007 8:45:44 AM

When I troll for bass, I don't use a leader or flasher. I tie my line to a snap swivel and then hook that to my spinner. The same would hold true for big inline spinners for pike and musky except I would have a steel leader just infront of the bait. When I am trolling for brown trout I use cowbells or some sort of small flasher(s) and or spinners which is attached to my line using barrel and snap swivels. The other end is attached to a snubber by the same means. The other end of the snubber is attached to a 24" florocarbon leader(using barrel & snap swivels), in this case 10#, which is tied to the lure. For most everything else I tie a 40# florocarbon leader to the lure and use barrel and snap swivels to attach to the main line. The reason I use snubbers for my trout set-up is because I use 30# super braid for my main line, and it has NO give. It will rip the hook right out of a trouts mouth. I have not attempted to tye fly riggs for salmon nor anything else that requires a downrigger. One step at a time for me! I am getting a good handle on straight line trolling but have a few new things to learn. Such as "dipsey divers" and the like. I do have two manual downriggers and have laid out my boat in a way that will allow me to mount my rigger mounting board. My rigger mounts are attached to the board and the board is pre drilled, ready to mount at any time.

This is what I meant before about boat lay-out. It can be difficult to use downriggers on some types of boats. Remember straight line trolling in my boat at the Fingerlakes meet? Thought had to be givin for placement of the rod holders so that two people could easily watch and use a rod. And for my part, everything had to be easy take down & set-up for traveling and storage... <!--graemlin:;)-->

Originally posted by: wellsley on 10/28/2007 10:03:02 AM

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ALL had a top of the line $$$$$ ballbearing snap swivel on them if you don't use a GOOD one with rotating flasher you will get a ton of line twist to the point that they may break off and your'll loose your flasher/fly rig costing you a lot of $$$$.

Originally posted by: papa_d on 10/28/2007 11:47:11 AM

I prefer the "snap swivel" method when trolling too. Depending on species; I may use a 12" to 18" steel leader to protect my line. No big deal to me as I still prefer panfishing over all other. <!--graemlin::)-->

Originally posted by: wellsley on 10/28/2007 5:22:33 PM

Next question for the masters. Do you use a snubber on the lead ball to protect the downrigger cable. I used a snubber with the dipsy diver there seems to be alot of torque with them. Takes awhile to get them adjusted so they trip properly. I got it so they don't trip just going through the water. Just got to catch a fish and see if it trips it.

Originally posted by: erabbit456 on 10/29/2007 4:50:47 AM

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Do you use a snubber on the lead ball to protect the downrigger cable.

Originally posted by: turnip on 10/29/2007 5:54:48 AM

Ed, could you explain the difference between a slide-diver and a Dipsy diver? I have a Dipsy and one that looks like an arrow but not sure we are talking about the same thing!

Originally posted by: erabbit456 on 10/29/2007 6:51:35 AM

Pete with the slide diver you can run ANY distance from the diver to your lure that you want and not worry about your pole being too short or having to go hand over hand to get the fish to the boat. Down side is that diver is on your rig all the time. The one I had with you out in Ohio was a slide diver. Check this link out looks like they have improved it some more mine do not have that wire deal on the lure side od the diver.........http://www.slidediver.com/

Originally posted by: Chris Stack on 10/29/2007 12:16:18 PM

Frank.. I'm not sure where you're talking about putting a snubber on the downrigger, but I'm sure it would really hamper the release by putting too much "give" in the system. The only place I use a snubber is behind a dipsy diver.. and that's just in case I have to help release it with an extra tug. It helps avoid pulling in just lips! I long, limber rod and a reel with a good drag thats properly set should work in most cases, even with the no-stretch lines and leaders. Good Fishing, Sluggo (Chris)