mrl83
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| 06 Feb 2009 04:43 PM |
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last year i bought a baitcast reel and hated it. the backlash was bad and tried different lbs and brands. didnt work so i gave it away. a month ago i got a cheap plastic reel for 15 bucks. loved it. been out in the back 40 casting and getting the hang of it. last week i went and got another reel so my friends and family can practice. acouple of days ago i went out and spent 60 dollars on a reel and so far it is working good out in the field. next month im gonna take it out and use it on the water. baitcasting reels are fun once you get to know them |
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fish-a-holic
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| 06 Feb 2009 05:42 PM |
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I waited years to buy one because I was afraid of the BackLash. I picked up a new FishEagle II from Cabelas for $9.99 last spring and practiced in the back yard. Now I want a couple more, it almost replaced my Spinning rod. Jim
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bigbarry
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| 07 Feb 2009 08:04 AM |
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when it comes to bait casters "you get what you pay for" if you ever throw a upper end ( $200.00 or more each   rod and reel you will than and only then get the true sense of bait casting !!! the distance and how accurate you will cast will amaze you.......... |
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bass or bass?
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| 07 Feb 2009 05:33 PM |
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I started baitcasting about 18 months ago. Got a Quantum Mantra and Quantum rod at Cabelas on sale for @ $60. It works like a charm and I really enjoy using it. Happy fishing, ~N.A.F.C.~B.A.S.S.~BoatU.S.~ |
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goat83
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| 07 Feb 2009 09:25 PM |
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Baitcaste are especially good for using heavier line and fishing around cover. They also come in a variety of ratios which can be used for a variety of lures. And no offense bigbarry but I still have and use the first baitcaster I've bought, which cost me $30 at Walmart, and I use it right next to the higher end ones I own now. I do agree that the higher end reels are easier to learn on they're not nessesarily better to learn on. A cheaper reel takes more practice to learn on, so when you're ready to buy a better reel it's just that much simplier. I'm livin if I'm fishin,life member since 12/05/2001 |
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mrl83
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| 08 Feb 2009 12:26 PM |
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i agree with barry. the better the gear the better the fishing. also goat... your right too. cheaper gear will teach a guy how to use it. in fact i showed my brother how to work a baitcast yesterday. his neighbor gave him some shimanow reel and he was bragging about it. i asked if he can really use it. "no! the line gets messed up when i cast!" so he came over and he used my cheap reel and said it is kinda a pain in the butt but is kinda nice now that i know alittle about it. also i think we got a new member to the NAFC. i told him how much i learned so far. he is interested in joining. thinks for everything. good luck and good fishing to all |
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Badger
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| 08 Feb 2009 04:56 PM |
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If your going to be casting all day with artificial for any kind of fish, a baitcaster is the only way to go. I use from 6# to 20# line depending on what I'm fishing for. My all around line is 8# Trilene XL. The one thing about a baitcaster is it doesn't twist the line like spin and spin cast do. And in my opinion the rod/reel has a better balance when casting all day. Learning to cast with a baitcast reel is not that hard. Heck, I even taught my main squeeze how to use one but I had to get an 18ft boat. She'll cast all day with me but she's like a whirling dervish. If she can do it, so can you. Starting with a reel that has a magnetic anti backlash will help you to start. My favorites are Daiwa reels and St Croix rods, but any good quality rod/reel combo will work just as well. Just take your time and don't try to pitch into the next county to start with, and you'll master it. Always drink upstream from the herd-----
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bass or bass?
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| 08 Feb 2009 06:59 PM |
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As a musician I can add that learning on a cheap baitcasting rig is a lot like learning on a cheap stringed instrument. Once you have the basics down and graduate to a high quality instrument or baitcast, what you learned to acomplish on cheap equipment is a breeze on the quality gear. Happy fishing. ~N.A.F.C.~B.A.S.S.~BoatU.S.~ |
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davesett2000
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| 08 Feb 2009 08:37 PM |
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I gotta wonder if it's psycological. In other words....since you are using a cheap outfit....you KNOW you aren't going to get the casting distance with it that you would with a good one. So you end up concentrating harder to NOT make a birdsnest....and making more of an effort to use that thumb....instead of relyinig on those fancy brakeing systems  My first baitcaster was an old cheapo True Temper with the plastic side plates....no Thumbar...not even freespool. No mono or superline either...just the black Dacron braid that we had in the '60's. Yet when I got my first Ambassadeur in the late 70's (?) with a Thunbar (5600 AL) I had no problems with it. In fact, my Dad tried it....and couldn't believe how easy it was conpared to the old types. SO much so that the rod and reel flew right out of his hand into 50 feet of water up in Manitoba. But he liked it so much that when they got back to the states....he replaced mine...and bought 2 for him and Mom too  Life Member David BB Linkmeister
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mrl83
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| 09 Feb 2009 02:24 PM |
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my new reel is a pinnacle solene. it isnt a 3 digit cost but so far i like it. ive been practicing and can cast and get within a couple feet from my target. but the only thing i havent figured out is when i cast overhead. still get the nest. not as bad as at first but im working on it. |
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Badger
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| 09 Feb 2009 07:43 PM |
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MG, try casting at 3/4 and not directly overhead that may help also try turning the rod slightly so the reel handles are in more of an up position when you cast. Most poeple get into problems with them by trying to cast too far at first. Distance will come as you get used to the rig. All the newer baitcasters have several adjustments on them and it's just a matter of getting them adjusted right or somewhat close. I hate to keep saying this but it's really easy once you get the hang of it. Just adjust your reel to the weight of the lure and be carefull of the type of lure you toss into the wind. It's a lot easier with the wind behind you when your starting. Even I get a backlash from time to time and usually it's because I've changed lures and not re-adjusted the reel. Thats why you see guys that use baitcasters have more than one pole rigged up so they can change rods with diferent lures quickly without any messing around. Hope this helped. Always drink upstream from the herd-----
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doug white
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| 10 Feb 2009 06:43 PM |
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What's more important when casting, arm, wrist or thumb? I've had a Daiwa for a couple of years, first year I was getting the hang of it but last year I couldn't cast past 20 feet. riverman |
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Badger
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| 10 Feb 2009 08:35 PM |
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Boy....when I really think about it they are all important to varying degrees. By going through the motions (because we have 10" of snow yet) it starts with the fore arm motion, then ends w/wrist and finishes w/thumb. It becomes so automatic I never even think about it. Just a nice easy motion to start with and once you get more comfortable, back the spool adjustment off a tad and see where that takes you. Rule of thumb is adjust the spool tight enough so when you release the spool the it will stop when the lure hits the water/ground. If it's too much or too little, adjust the spool tension knob accordingly to get the desired tension. Sometimes nothing works. I have a Shimano that for the life of me I cannot get to cast worth a hoot no matter what I do. Backlash, backlash, backlash!! I only use that reel for trolling now. Always drink upstream from the herd-----
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davesett2000
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| 11 Feb 2009 10:47 AM |
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The MOST important thing to remember about baitcasters is that once you have the "brakes" set for a certain weight of lure (let's say it's a 1 ounce lure), then if you change lures to a different weight, then you have to reset the brakes. It doesn't matter if you go heavier to lighter or lighter to heavier. Another thing to check is to make sure the grease / lube inside hasn't gotten "gummy". If the reel spent the winter in an unheated garage, it can happen quite easily. This can drastically affect how well the spool turns once you've pressed the "free spool" button for casting. Life Member David BB Linkmeister
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mrl83
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| 11 Feb 2009 12:48 PM |
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my bait casting reels have the side cover that can be removed. can i lube the reel that way or do i gotta get out those tiny screw drivers and take the whole thing apart? |
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Badger
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| 11 Feb 2009 02:15 PM |
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Sure, take the side cover off, pull out the spool and put a drop of good oil in both spool bearings(more is not better). Put it back together and you ready to go. The spool bearings is where all the hi speed action takes place when casting. Everything else is low to slow speed. The rest of the gearset will stay lubed for a long time unless you dunk the reel or something else happens to it. A lite coating on the level wind shaft and if you like take the cover off the pawl and put a drop there each year. My way of maintainence may differ from other folks here, but this is what's worked for me for a whole bunch of years. If you have to go deeper into the reel and don't know what your doing, take it and have it done for you. I will completely overhaul mine every several years depending on useage. The reels today have so much going on in them, you darn near have to be part watchmaker to tear them down and rebuild. I know a lot of guys that leave their equipment in the boat in all kinds of weather. I don't. It's either in the rod locker or in the cabin.That may explain my simplified maintainence. To each their own. Always drink upstream from the herd-----
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doug white
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| 11 Feb 2009 06:21 PM |
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thanks for the info, when the weather clears up here in n.e. ohio i'll check the lubrication and put in more practice time. RIVERMAN |
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mrl83
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| 13 Feb 2009 03:52 PM |
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i'm so ready to go hit the water! thanks to everyone that has replied to this topic. i've learned so much. to everyone that reads this topic please respond. more info the better. also i've noticed that i can cast better when i adjust my drag. does the drag have anything to do with my casting? |
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Badger
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| 13 Feb 2009 07:42 PM |
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DRAG ??.... if you are refering to the star drag that you adjust for playing a fish, the answer is no! None what so ever. If your refering to the spool adjustment knob that sets the friction for the free spool, the answer is yes. When it comes to the star drag, I like to set mine on the moderate friction side of adjusting. I can always increase it some more if I need to, but a good hit will peel a little line off without breaking the line. Again, just the way I do things. Everyone developes there own way of whats comfortable to them after using a baitcaster for a while. Always drink upstream from the herd-----
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mrl83
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| 16 Feb 2009 11:08 AM |
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i was talking about the star. i know that little knob is for fine tuning. will i think thats whats its for. ounce again thanks abunch for your advise |
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