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hloiselleUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:3 hloiselle
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12 Sep 2010 03:38 PM
    We have a 36acre lake with no structure in the water.
    The deepest part of the lake is about 14 ft.
    We have made homade structure out of  plastice pipe to look like trees.
    My question in where would be the best place to put these structures.
    Other depths around 4 to7 feet deep.
    Electric motors only.
    We also stock the lake with walleye, perch, crappie
    bull gill.
    Any sugestions.
    Harry

    peepawUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:13 peepaw
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    13 Sep 2010 07:43 AM
    Harry,
      Sounds like your pond is in dire need of habitat. If you don't provide enough cover for all sizes from fry to adult, you will have to continue to stock bait etc. Habitat is needed in water from 2-4' through full depth. The small fine cover should be put in shallow water for the larvae and fry. Your pipe structures could go at the first breakline if you have one or about 10-12'.There is some artificial fish habitat for all depths called fishiding. They offer  three sizes for different applicatiuons and are made from reclaimed pvc. Check them out at: www.fishiding.com for the lowdown. Larger groups of cover seem to work best rather than single items spread all over the pond. They come self weighted and ready to install with no additional parts or tools needed. Let me know how you do.
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    PegsguyUser is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:4104 Pegsguy
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    13 Sep 2010 09:00 AM

    Harry: Stick with the PVC structure. Many times old Christmas trees and the like were used for this, but recent research is finding that there are detrimental side effects to this. I don't remember what they are, just that trees are not a very good choice. Some rubble or broken up concrete here and there might not be a bad idea, especially in the shallow areas. A concrete contractor would be happy to furnish some of this for you! If you live where ice gets thick enough to allow you to walk on it, the structure can be placed on the ice just before ice out. Tom

     

     

     

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    peepawUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:13 peepaw
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    13 Sep 2010 09:34 AM
    Great points Pegsguy. Rock/concrete/gravel is a needed material in all habitat projects. As we know, fish use different areas at different times of the year, for different reasons. I was told by a fisheries biologist that you need to flash burn the needles off pine trees before placing them in water. He said that it takes 2-3 years for the needles to decay and fall off. The needles are acidic and not desired by the fish until gone. He said the fish won't even use the trees until the needles are gone. Either way, they rot away fast and need to be continuously replaced. What can't be denied is they are cheap/free, hold fish well and safe for all critters involved. We still feel strongly that variety of products is essential to a balanced aquatic system.
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    13 Sep 2010 09:36 AM
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    davesett2000User is Offline Veteran Poster Veteran Poster Send Private Message Posts:2212 davesett2000
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    15 Sep 2010 06:11 PM
    JMHO here folks...and I HOPE that no one takes my thoughts here personally

    Concrete has many chemicals in it..so at the very least...I will suggest that you folks do some more research about this 

    Rock and gravel is good...put in small spots in shallower areas in vegetation areas...and don't be afraid of having a couple of sand spots either

    Fot that matter...if you can get ahold of a good sized chunk of tree (10 ft long and more)...or several..and make laydowns at various spots along the shore / shallow water spots.
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    peepawUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:13 peepaw
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    16 Sep 2010 09:40 AM
    Davesett, thanks for the input. This is the first I've heard of any potential negative feelings toward concrete. Many fisheries biologists,lake management companies and DNR branches have used,recommended and installed concrete for years. Bridges, seawalls, riprap, pier supports and the like are an every day occurance across the world. If we are making mistakes using cement in the water, we are in big trouble!! Trees, brush, logs work perfectly and naturaly for fish habitat. The ONLY drawback is having to continue to replace and add to the structure continuously. Everything in moderation. We have always recommended a variety of cover for fish to use, different sizes and depths are key.
    check out the newest artificial fish habitat designed to save time, money and the environment...www.fishiding.com
    lowellhturnerUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:267 lowellhturner
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    16 Sep 2010 02:07 PM

     Personally have no formal education in biology or aquatic training, most of my previous experience has been done in the early AM, generally would prefere the cover of bad weather to pursue my rather strange "hobby" and no; the majority of those times did not have "official" permission to do so. Having said that, DO now have OFFICIAL permission to place 1,000+ fish attractors in CJ Brown Reservoir inside Buck Creek State Park in Ohio. That permission is from the US Army Corps of Engineers, Ohio Dept of Wildlife and Ohio Dept of Parks; to date we (the Friends of CJ Brown Reservoir) have placed 651+ in 27 groups all over that body of water, GPSed them and made their positions known and available to the general fishing public. We have agreed to follow some requirements for permission to do this, which is acceptable to us. A few suggestions; NORMAL concrete blocks are generally biologically INERT and should be OK. In shallower water stuff branches THRU the blocks in "opposed " (all 1 way 1 side, all opposite direction other side) method, secure with light steel cable or VHD weed eater line. "C" (Christmas) trees work well, but flatten over time; in gravel pit/ quarries (infertile to moderately fertile bodies of water) they should last 5-8? yrs; in more fertile waters 3-5?yrs. Would recommend in order CEDAR, CYPRUS, HEDGE APPLE (OSAGE ORANGE), LOCUST, MULBERRY, HICKORY, and OAK* (a few states actually forbid sinking oak WITH leaves on it)  PVC is useful but because it isn`t organic and obviously doesn`t decay  it doesn`t attract and harbor NEARLY the wide range of bacteria, algea, insect larvea, crayfish, minnows, shad, ect that you get with organic materials, and since there are only rounded surfaces there is little to NO cover for said diverse lifeforms to hide or spawn on/ in. The more dense the cover is the more successful they will be, generally. Also, when sinking them, placing them in rows shallow to deep (6-20 fow) SEEMS to have the greatest effect; fish use them as a stairway; TRANSITION ZONES where the type of bottom changes from riprap to say muck? sand, or gravel are EXCELLENT spots to "splash " them into. Place them in sets of atleast 5-10; on level bottoms a rough circle works well.  Also try piles of 10 hole bricks, you just won`t BELIEVE the # of crayfish they will attract- have actually SEEN bass come up to them, eyeball the holes and finding one sheltering a small mudbug, carefully align themselves and suck them out, just like a straw! A couple of other points; try to secure some trees horizontally, perch will spawn on them, bass and cats and crappie will all build nests under the cover. And USE the stronger attachment materials, alot of time cutting off the lower limbs on one side allows for a MUCH stronger connection; ensure it`s tight by lifting the tree/ or limbs; if there`s slack RETIE it. Both should lift together with little if any slack. And as far as how long they take to work...afew days at most IF NOT HOURS! DO keep in mind though, as someone else mentioned, YES they are more effective once the needles/ leaves fall off- generally they are best their 2cnd yr underwater. That said will give you an example then will close; in the Marina CJ Brown  the Park has a kid`s fishing program every Sat 10AM to Noon, from Memorial Day to Labor Day. Last yr they caught 21 fish in  the first 8 wkends. The Park Manager, who previously was adamant NONE would go into the Marina itself said he wanted the fishing results in the Marina to improve. Suggested stocking  the lake. (He DID NOT think that was FUNNY AT ALL!) He "suggested dropping afew" where the kids usually fished. In went 36 cedar brush blocks (BBs) Next Sat the kids caught 43 fish in 2 hrs.  Coincedense?( We are preparing to place 100+ into Marina before ice up.) Give something back to whatever body of water you fish, although would STRONGLY recommend getting OFFICIAL permission IF you are planning on placing them in PUBLIC waters. "...IF YOU ONLY KNEW THE POWER OF THE DARK (deeper) SIDE OF THE FISH ATTRACTORS..." Respectfully, the Friends of CJ Brown Reservoir.

    lowellhturnerUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:267 lowellhturner
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    16 Sep 2010 02:12 PM
    By the way, look up Ohio> Lake Erie South 2. My Email is Flakbait1960@aol.com
    lowellhturnerUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:267 lowellhturner
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    16 Sep 2010 02:12 PM
    By the way, look up Ohio> Lake Erie South 2. My Email is Flakbait1960@aol.com
    lowellhturnerUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:267 lowellhturner
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    16 Sep 2010 02:13 PM
    By the way, look up Ohio> Lake Erie South 2. My Email is Flakbait1960@aol.com
    lowellhturnerUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:267 lowellhturner
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    16 Sep 2010 02:13 PM
    By the way, look up Ohio> Lake Erie South 2. My Email is Flakbait1960@aol.com
    peepawUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:13 peepaw
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    16 Sep 2010 03:00 PM
    Well put and informative. The only part I disagree with is: " and since there are only rounded surfaces there is little to NO cover for said diverse lifeforms to hide or spawn on/ in."  What? Take a look at fishiding.com to see how " round" it comes. Algae grows immediatly, creating long strands of growth...that stays forever, what comes next? How many square trees have you seen? You named many great points and ideas for habitat. Private lake and pond owners pay for habitat and the effort to install them out of their own pockets. Many people agree that installing habitat once is most cost effective in the long run. Pvc products work extremely well for many applications. Give it a fair shake. Flash burn the needles off the x-mas trees and they will produce well their entire lifespan.
                                                                                                                        Peepaw
    check out the newest artificial fish habitat designed to save time, money and the environment...www.fishiding.com
    hloiselleUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:3 hloiselle
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    16 Sep 2010 03:47 PM
    The reason for plastic tubing is I hear that the snags are greatly reduced.
    I,m all for laying long logs off shore.
    peepawUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:13 peepaw
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    16 Sep 2010 03:58 PM
    Just one of the many advantages of artificial pvc fish habitat!
    check out the newest artificial fish habitat designed to save time, money and the environment...www.fishiding.com
    lowellhturnerUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:267 lowellhturner
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    16 Sep 2010 08:51 PM
    Am not against PVC; durability is a VERY strong point in favor of PVC, it will probably outlast a  submerged cement block ! And one other stealthy thing `bout PVC, you better GPS them unless you seal them extremely well; once they fill with water they can be almost impossible to see with some sonar sets. They actually produce a sometimes VERY faint return.
    hloiselleUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:3 hloiselle
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    17 Sep 2010 03:26 PM
    Thanks for the input.
    We did group the homemade structure together
     as someone suggested. So far we have made 5
    artificial trees and schrubs. Planning on making  more.
    Using 5 gallon bucket and plastic tubing brought at Lowe's
    Drill holes in bucket place tubing in holes add 40lb. of quick crete
    fast set up cement.
    Looks great.
    Harry
    peepawUser is Offline New Poster New Poster Send Private Message Posts:13 peepaw
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    22 Sep 2010 05:54 PM
    I didn't know about the water/air showing up on sonar or not. Great tip for guys who are using the old reliable pipes in a bucket crib. The fishiding Products I keep mentioning consist of wide,flat limbs that not only create shade/cover/micro. growth, they do show up well on sonar...looks like a bush or tree onscreen, Check it out. www.fishiding.com
                                                                            peepaw
    check out the newest artificial fish habitat designed to save time, money and the environment...www.fishiding.com
    lowellhturnerUser is Offline Advanced Poster Advanced Poster Send Private Message Posts:267 lowellhturner
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    22 Sep 2010 08:44 PM
    Strangest type ever heard of and apparently quite deadly sets done recently by a couple of hilljacks and consisted of 6- 7 dark green/ blackish plastic open back chairs with cyprus limbs inside every 3rd seat  and individually tied with what appearred to be nylon clothes line rope, the weight being a cement block poured full of cement on each leg.  Was supposedly sunk in 15 fow and produced profusilly if sporatically. Never tried that one, personally, but...
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