Northeast Bass,

I received an alert for language on this discussion thread and removed that particular post but after reading this whole thread I'm sorry to say that if you threaten another member with physical violence, even as a veiled threat, you're indefinitely suspended from the forums.

On a personal level I would like to encourage you to ease up a little on the frequent plugging of your website. I'm sure you have good products, I've watched many of the videos on your website and liked them but it's easy to reach a saturation point where too much promotion has the opposite effect and turns people away from your business. Calling other people names and threatening them could turn anyone reading your posts off on actually doing business with you. Like I said, I'm sure you've got good products and I like your videos but the hard sell repels customers.

I've also had to move many of the discussion threads that turn into a pitch for your website over to the Deals and Discounts topic area because they change focus once you start posting on them. Please balance your posts with personal interaction and less promotion of your website.

Thanks Steve. 

Posted By basbandit on 19 Sep 2010 07:13 PM
Good does that mean your not posting anymore. Woopeeeeeeeee!

Harry: Read the one from admin maybe this will end it one can only hope

I've had the worst kind of never catching fish on the Rapala Skitter Prop. Just don't know why I can't get the props to spin even with modification to keep tail hook horizontal. In addition it's hard to keep the lure on the surface unless I'm high sticking the rod.

@ Admin Wes....PLEASE feel free to delete MY posts in this topic too...as I don't like the negativity

@ everyone else..MAYBE a better topic would be about "lures that you haven't caught fish with".

THe fact that the Banjo minnows STILL sell SHOULD tell you that folks are catching fish with them....period. Lures that don't catch fishnfor ANYONE don't sell for as long as these have (15+ years). JMHO

IMHO...MANY times when a person doesn't catch fish with a lure has to do with presentation...and conditions...versus the actual lure itself.

I'll back up those thoughts with these observations about the history of the BASS tounraments.

Early multiple winners were Bill Dance...Bill Murry...Roland Martin...Hank Parker...and Rick Clunn.

Then...Kevin Van Dam "upped the anty" on this...as he has mastered MANY presentations for bass.

IF ANY of them had been "stuck" on any one presentation or lure group...do you REALLY think that they could have accomplished what they did?

Guaranteed...sometimes ONE lure gets hot...or a certian COLOR gets hot...or a certain presentation gets hot. But overall....folks that adjust to the conditions...and use their arsenal...AND recognize the conditions...ALWAYS fair better with their catches.

You will see this on the various fishing "forums" on the Internet...including this one.

At the same time...this SAME "train of thought" holds true for MANY other species.

JMHO...and I hope I haven't offended anyone with these thoughts 

Along the lines of presentation technique

Given multiple lures of similar appearances and performance wise. Some do offer better action, better hardware components, better detailing to finish, etc.,...

Some lures have huge finished performance tolerances. Maybe something to do with a disparity of what is quality. Not everyone will have the time or budget to sort out a dozen lures and select two or three that performs with acceptable personal standards.

Any lure with enough time behind it, will eventually catch a fish. A bobber that solicits more fish strikes than a manufactured lure is an example that attaching hooks to just about anything can catch a fish.

Presentation goes to location, location, location. If such a lure can't be delivered to said location, it defeats the purpose of the lure. Especially when a like lure, can do it on a consistent basis. Again there's something to be said about individual fishing skills, but no lures comes with a label for professional fishing compentency users only.

Choosing one lure over another is based on both subjective and objective observations. Some lures are must have. Some lures aren't worth the bother. So the assessment goes to apply to lures to never buy again.

Then again there can always be a lure vs lure thread. That anyone can formulate their opinion on which is better lure. That should be another topic in another thread.

Other topic thread that goes off in a tangent are:
Lures that requires immediate hardware component improvements
Lures that requires tuning before fishing
Lures that requires fishing skills to use

Furthermore the mentality and/or philosophy of each individual angler doesn't always go with the presentation that can trumph all other lure types. In simplicity the plain jig with a curly tail grub can outcatch multiple fish species far beyond many other lures. One only has to look at another ang'er's tackle box and identify the same lures they have in their own tackle box. Yet lure manufactures and individual lure developers persists on exploring other types of lure designs as a continual process. Maybe because we want to be different or simply fish better than what we've been doing before.

In the end, each angler should only give an honest opinion. However the more objective it is, the more informative it can be recieved based on quantifiable experience and lure assessment. Personal biased opinions are what misleads the general public. To say something is just plain awesome or plain junk are the descriptive synonyms that sway people's feelings easily. The Banjo Minnow is an example that has fallen into that worthless debate category of personal biased opinions.

Everything is a tool and it's up to the individual to use each tool to it's best ability.

Now lets see...where were we...?

WOW Bob I'm really impressed. That was a very good explaination.
I did give an honest opinion on the Strike King Jig. they build a good jig but use very cheap hooks and that is the reason I don't buy them anymore. I did really enjoy your post.

Harry

LOL's turnip.

Still trying to keep things on topic. Lures to never buy again. Whatever experience that makes the lure and an unworthy lure to oneself.

Thanks basbandit.  That's the way how it goes.

Posted By basbandit on 19 Sep 2010 07:13 PM
Good does that mean your not posting anymore. Woopeeeeeeeee!

Yessssss!

I've once bought the Cabela's real image of Johnson weeldess silver minnows. They look really good in the catalog. When I got them, first impression were the very stiff and heavy weed guard. Looks like they wouldn't compress on a fish bite. Second was the very dull hooks. I spent hours sharpening these things up. Not a simple touch up. The lures were very glossy and looks very good. However a heavy solder job made these lures feel like lead weights so they're a very dull on the action side.

Had some fish bites, but no hook ups. Probably attributed to the heavy weed guard. In the end, these were basically tossed into the garbage. The few I save, are basically used for weights. Which I should've thought of in the first place. Now they're practice casting weights.

I would never buy these things again...

Posted By Admin Wes on 20 Sep 2010 09:06 AM
Northeast Bass,

I received an alert for language on this discussion thread and removed that particular post but after reading this whole thread I'm sorry to say that if you threaten another member with physical violence, even as a veiled threat, you're indefinitely suspended from the forums.

On a personal level I would like to encourage you to ease up a little on the frequent plugging of your website. I'm sure you have good products, I've watched many of the videos on your website and liked them but it's easy to reach a saturation point where too much promotion has the opposite effect and turns people away from your business. Calling other people names and threatening them could turn anyone reading your posts off on actually doing business with you. Like I said, I'm sure you've got good products and I like your videos but the hard sell repels customers.

I've also had to move many of the discussion threads that turn into a pitch for your website over to the Deals and Discounts topic area because they change focus once you start posting on them. Please balance your posts with personal interaction and less promotion of your website.

Thanks Steve. 

Thanks for stopping the madness!

to admin wes thanks for stopping at least for now all the petty and childish things going on. im sure i speak for many when i say thanks. to bob your answer earlier in this post is one of the most thought out and expressed extremely well i have seen in a while.it is one reason i chose to join this club and become a life member intellegent answers to questions as well as the ability to respect someone elses opinions without becoming an arrogant butt. i only hope that when i post an opinion or answer to a question i come across half as well as you do. i can once again enjoy cruising thru the posts and answering when i have something to add.

Thanks duckman, I try to be fair and give everything with fishing a reasonable chance.

one should examine the hardware ,if its cheap can you upgrade it .
there is nothing worse then losing a fish because the lure falls apart.

rod tosser have you been talking to Pete.

I had purchased a Cabela's kastmaster look alike kit to save some money. At the time it was a great deal, basically making your own kastmaster for about half the cost. Well I found out that it was basically at half the quality as well. Figures, it's something you get for what you pay for. However it appears that these spoons do not have the same fish catching ability either. It just seems to be a major let down for having such high hopes for it. In the end, I pretty much use these spoons minus the lousy treble hooks as casting weights. Gotta make use of it now. Another lure (kit) that I would never buy again.

I'd say the Banjo minnow but I've never bought one. So...cheap soft plastics where the twister tail(s) don't work at any speed. Bought some off brand crank baits that the hook broke while pulling a fish in. Won't buy no name fishing ever again and haven't the last 25 years. Birds nest no, eagles nest yes.

I agaree   STRIKE KINGS should be called strike Queens   and Gama hooks are the BEST!!!!!!!!!!